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    this this this this this this this this this this...

    this this this this this this this this this this this
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    I don't think the thread title helps...

    I'm not advocating Big Group in this thread, I'm not suggesting we join together to form yet another settlement group of any kind.

    The vast majority of our groups were formed when tax law was tax...
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    It's never too late apparently, ask HMRC. I...

    It's never too late apparently, ask HMRC. I suppose in their case though even if it is too late then they just make a new law and hey presto, it isn't too late.

    The cats thing I get though, let's...
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    Have to say I disagree there. I'm not looking to...

    Have to say I disagree there. I'm not looking to jump ship for settlement, I've happily thrown my eggs in the Big Group basket for that. Maybe no one is interested and everyone wants to just put...
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    The biggest group of all?

    All of the 40,000 affected (and anyone else that might be interested)...

    We are all in disparate groups attempting to settle our affairs with an ever aggressive and underhand HMRC.

    Whilst the...
  6. And that's exactly where the problem lies. We...

    And that's exactly where the problem lies. We are all in disparate groups, fighting "individual" battles against HMRC who keep changing the rules as they go along.

    They don't care about...
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    What would be your definition and purpose of an...

    What would be your definition and purpose of an EBT?

    Not in terms of contractor umbrellas, but why were they created in the first place?
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    And not forgetting his new crime of aiding tax...

    And not forgetting his new crime of aiding tax evasion ...
  9. "This is not tax avoidance, this is just the way...

    "This is not tax avoidance, this is just the way it works."

    I don't think the underlying analysis of corporation tax compared to income tax compared to etc etc etc is the issue here. It's the...
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    To be fair, us Avoiders have come in for plenty...

    To be fair, us Avoiders have come in for plenty of flack from sections of the oh so smug Ltd brigade on these forums. Plenty of told you so's and you deserve all you gets. Brillo might have been...
  11. Without scaremongering, I would hope this doesn't...

    Without scaremongering, I would hope this doesn't mean all those APNs that have been withdrawn due to "no valid inquiry" are reinstated following a change of law (to allow APN without inquiry)...
  12. I read that as "in (say) 10 years time a...

    I read that as "in (say) 10 years time a government can make up some new laws and back date them to today"
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    Not entirely convinced...

    Sounds like the HMRC chap was just trying to divert your attention. He would recommend anything that means we'd just pay them whatever.

    It has been discussed before and the general feeling is...
  14. Reckon that's how I'm going to do it too although...

    Reckon that's how I'm going to do it too although I'll be making an adjustment for tax already paid on the benefit in kind too.
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    This is the same public that regularly do deals...

    This is the same public that regularly do deals for cash to get a better price / evade tax. Why hasn't there been more made of this by the politicians? Oh yes, that's right because there are too...
  16. Have I missed something?

    I thought APNs were only going to be issued to DOTAS registered schemes? When did it change so they could issue APNs to anyone?
  17. Agree entirely

    I've always maintained this isn't a popularity contest but we've got an uphill battle persuading (and I think we'll need to to some extent) the average tax evader (give us a discount for cash) that...
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    True, but you don't get the instructions 'til...

    True, but you don't get the instructions 'til you've bought the TV. By then it's too late. Duty of care and all that ;-)



    I'll drop The Queen a line then, she seems like a sensible sort :-)
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    So HMRC helplines aren't fit for purpose and yet...

    So HMRC helplines aren't fit for purpose and yet all HMRC correspondence urges us to ring them. Can we not complain to the ASA? Trades description act or something ;-)
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    Hmm, I find that response from HMRC to...

    Hmm, I find that response from HMRC to rhinehearts question somewhat odd. We know they make mistakes and are utterly incompetent etc etc but could this be construed as deliberately misleading...
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    I didn't explain myself very well :-) There are...

    I didn't explain myself very well :-) There are quite a few high profile tax stories that have been linked in various threads (and many more to come no doubt). They come in, are fashionable for five...
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    I'm in exactly the same boat

    I would imagine they'll get it from your tax return
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    Absolutely agree with you there, I wasn't...

    Absolutely agree with you there, I wasn't entirely trying to comment on the case (although I will concede my thread title does suggest I am).
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    Oops

    That went in the wrong section!!! Any chance of getting this moved into HMRC Scheme Enquiries please?

    :tumble::igmc:
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    HMRC cranking up the time machine again ...

    F1's Ecclestone in legal challenge over £1bn tax move - BBC News

    obviously we don't know the full facts of the case so the BBC may have put a slant on it, but do we think there's any benefit in...
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    A very expensive and long drawn out Tribunal will...

    A very expensive and long drawn out Tribunal will decide.

    I very much doubt any individuals would be able to afford to take HMRC to court on their own (and it wouldn't be worth it, Tribunal costs...
  27. Thread: BIG GROUP

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    Sticky: Not too late, have a good read through of this...

    Not too late, have a good read through of this thread you should get an idea of where we are at the mo...
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    And then turn their attention to "aggressive tax...

    And then turn their attention to "aggressive tax planning"
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    An obvious statement but..

    We make a mistake and it's considered careless and can open up a whole can of whoopass on us. HMRC make a mistake and it's oops, ah well. Next...

    I know this is going to sound ridiculous but as...
  30. Thread: BIG GROUP

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    Sticky: The settlement "offer"

    Can't specifically answer the first point re multiple schemes, there are much better placed specialists on here to help.

    However, there are no benefits to the settlement offer. It's full tax plus...
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    Poll: Are they suggesting you appeal????

    Either they are mocking you (us) knowing that JRs are expensive etc or they are actively encouraging you (us) to JR in order to throw this sorry mess out of the window!

    I would have expected...
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    I'm not going to be able to help much here, but...

    I'm not going to be able to help much here, but I've always wondered that too. Someone might be able to shed some light on it ...
  33. Thread: BIG GROUP

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    Sticky: Personally I don't think we need to discuss the...

    Personally I don't think we need to discuss the finer details on here at all. The cost of the BIG GROUP will be enough to attract interest, particularly from those who feel left behind. The biggest...
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    Section 3.33 interested me...

    "3.33 The government will also consider whether further legislation is needed to stop avoiders from using tax administration processes and deadlines in an effort to frustrate or delay HMRC...
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    I'm sure this doc has been alluded to in the past on this forum but...

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/413931/Tax_evasion_FINAL__with_covers_and_right_sig_.pdf

    It's nice of HMG to *ahem* clarify the terminology in box 1.A on...
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    I'm sure you've been through this already but are...

    I'm sure you've been through this already but are they copies of letters that HMRC sent you back in 2008 / 2009 or are these letters you've never seen before but just happen to coincide with the...
  37. I'm pretty sure I've read on other threads

    where those in receipt of an APN have seen the amount appear on their Self Assessment account online. I think it goes in the tax year the APN relates to But I could be wrong!
  38. Thread: BIG GROUP

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    Sticky: I had a look at their tax gap stats a while ago...

    I had a look at their tax gap stats a while ago and I've always wondered if they are total figures or per annum figures?

    If it's the former then for £7 billion, £1 billion a year, peanuts in the...
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    I could be wrong but I think you've misunderstood parallelmonogamist's initial post

    The way I read it was not that he was going to ask either of the groups to do the calcs the "they" in his initial post, I think, was only referring to HMRC [doing the calc]...
  40. Lol :happy I know this isn't a popularity...

    Lol :happy

    I know this isn't a popularity contest but the only danger I see with outing those in charge is that we then become tarred with the same brush and what little public support we may have...
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    Just out of interest...

    APN lands on the mat for £50k. Can't pay it, can't agree a TTP with HMRC because they're being unreasonable ;-) HMRC add penalties. 5%, another 5% and then another 5% after 12 months. £7.5k...
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    Sticky: I'd be more than interested

    Do you think HMRC would allow the £10 a month to be included in my list of outgoings when I'm working out my APN TTP with them ;-)
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    It will also be interesting to see

    If HMRC are prepared to take other creditors into account in this instance. As I've mentioned in a previous thread, last time I had dealings with a TTP HMRC didn't care about my credit card bills,...
  44. Absolutely agree with all posts in this thread...

    Absolutely agree with all posts in this thread and get it entirely but as I'm completely fooked regardless of who gets in I'm with DWS on this one, Anyone But Tories. They allowed this sh1t to get...
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    Poll: No idea if it'll be the same in our cases now but ...

    After a complete balls up of my own I owed HMRC £11k a few years back whilst in PAYE (moved from contracting to permie, on the wrong tax code, knew I wasn't paying enough tax but still p155ed it up...
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    You don't work for the press do you?

    Only picking out a small quote in the middle of a much bigger piece so you can put your own spin on it?

    If you honestly think that is what I meant then so be it.
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    Wishful thinking I know, but if the judge were to...

    Wishful thinking I know, but if the judge were to say that APNs are void, would HMRC have to then refund the alleged 99% that gave already paid their APNs?
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    That'll be the camp I was in. Permie for seven...

    That'll be the camp I was in. Permie for seven years, didn't even cross my mind, never heard of APN til I got my SO letter by which time APNs had already got Royal Assent. Even now very few people...
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    The majority had probably never even heard of an...

    The majority had probably never even heard of an APN until it was too late!
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    You're very probably right there but the general...

    You're very probably right there but the general principle of the APN is exactly what we should be fighting.

    I remember reading an official document somewhere from a link on one of these threads...
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