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    it's all so much water under the bridge for me...

    it's all so much water under the bridge for me now. I've moved on.
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    clearly not.

    clearly not.
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    the mistake I made, because of my English grammar...

    the mistake I made, because of my English grammar training, was to use the capital letter, rather than lower case. However, I guess it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
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    What is not said in a manifesto is important. I...

    What is not said in a manifesto is important. I don't believe that IR35 was included in Tony Bliar's manifesto, or for that matter any other stealth taxes that Brown implemented.
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    . do you really think that anyone could...

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    do you really think that anyone could provide hard evidence of any "murky" activities? They'd have to be a Trojan Horse to do so.
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    being a good rugby player might help!

    being a good rugby player might help!
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    my plot is larger than many around me, but I...

    my plot is larger than many around me, but I won't have the luxury of selling any of it off!
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    agreed, we we still have to combat HMG...

    agreed, we we still have to combat HMG bureaucracy etc. especially HMRC and in my case the C, which I'm constantly fighting.



    the problem with that is neither Labour nor Conservative...
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    interesting! I hadn't realised that the Nazis...

    interesting! I hadn't realised that the Nazis were that paranoid about Freemasonary. I have no objection to ordinary citizens like yourself being members of a secret society, but I cannot support the...
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    Did they include that zany idea of changing...

    Did they include that zany idea of changing council tax to be based on the area of land your house sits on? This apparently would double your council tax on average.
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    a Communist is someone who has nothing and wants...

    a Communist is someone who has nothing and wants to share it with everyone.
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    I claimed this in so many words a long time ago....

    I claimed this in so many words a long time ago. I guess many of those members will not require IPSE from April 2020.
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    they banned me for posting a different angle on...

    they banned me for posting a different angle on the chiefs and indians quip, calling it racist.
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    you might think so, but I can't possibly...

    you might think so, but I can't possibly comment!:smile

    however, if what was said about Hitler's plans for members of secret societies was correct, why do you think that he had such plans to...
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    clearly I can't give you that due to the secret...

    clearly I can't give you that due to the secret nature of their activities!:smile
  16. I guess that's true of most voters. Floating...

    I guess that's true of most voters. Floating voters really only exist in marginals where they believe they could make a difference. In safe seats, those that don't support the incumbent party will...
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    I've done a bit and am prepared to do more if I'm...

    I've done a bit and am prepared to do more if I'm forced to.
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    . just like all political parties.

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    just like all political parties.
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    I guess you are a mason then? and what I've...

    I guess you are a mason then?

    and what I've observed is that it's HMG using such organisations as the first level of control over the populace not the other way around. I have seen them at work.
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    there are no "fakes" as you put it, only workers...

    there are no "fakes" as you put it, only workers who do not receive employment benefits, whom HMRC wish to tax as employees, who do receive employment benefits, which are not taxed.
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    If there were no police officers, judges,...

    If there were no police officers, judges, barristers, solicitors or any other civil servants who were members of such societies, I wouldn't be able to tell you more.

    It is said that Hitler had a...
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    It's surprising how many people underestimate the...

    It's surprising how many people underestimate the control exerted by such organisations.
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    on occasion, HMRC has used arguments on both...

    on occasion, HMRC has used arguments on both sides to increase the tax take, i.e. trying to prove that a self employed person was in fact an employee and vice versa. I vaguely remember a recent case...
  24. . HMRC have now changed this propaganda...

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    HMRC have now changed this propaganda approach to "two people earning the same income".
  25. check out the Alcock case where HMRC tried to...

    check out the Alcock case where HMRC tried to prevent evidence from the CEST tool being submitted in court.
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    15 Countries With The Highest Tax Rates In The...

    15 Countries With The Highest Tax Rates In The World | Nomad Capitalist
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    Monster Raving Loony party?:)

    Monster Raving Loony party?:)
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    In Business On Your Own Account. There are...

    In Business On Your Own Account.

    There are those who claim that unless you contract directly to a client, have multiple clients, are continually looking for work, have business premises, have a...
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    I would agree. In my 23 years of contracting,...

    I would agree. In my 23 years of contracting, I've never worked with anyone who some representative organisations would claim were IBOYOA. i.e., contracted directly, had multiple clients, had a web...
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    What will change?

    I guess that the vast majority of issues which affect us will not change, whatever government is in power. Will HMRC act any differently? Will any other government department act differently? Will...
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    the only one who entered parliament with honest...

    the only one who entered parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes.:)
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    . and which three were they?

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    and which three were they?
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    I never claimed it was. Only you are interpreting...

    I never claimed it was. Only you are interpreting it as so. My point is that there are many who would consider a contract like mine to be not IBOYOA, as those would have it that you must contract...
  34. and cost them a great deal more! As an example,...

    and cost them a great deal more! As an example, when I worked for a previous software house, I was asked to cost a requirement based on the number of days work it entailed. I worked out the cost to...
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    yes, that is clearly the legal definition, but...

    yes, that is clearly the legal definition, but there are those who claim that unless you contract directly with your client, do not use an agency to find work, have business cards, have a web site,...
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    Poll: it isn't actually if you think about it. Your...

    it isn't actually if you think about it. Your ballot paper is matched to your entry in the electoral roll. So in effect, anyone with access to that information can find out how you voted.
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    OK, but just let me point this out in response to...

    OK, but just let me point this out in response to this -



    none of these apply to me, yet Markel Tax's assessment of my contract is that it is outside of IR35. So I guess you, and HMRC, would...
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    I would have thought that some genuine banking...

    I would have thought that some genuine banking contractors wouldn't agree with that.
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    I would say that representative bodies have let HMRC win. Individuals could do very little against HMRC.
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    HMRC's position is that very few contractors are....

    HMRC's position is that very few contractors are. Don't forget that the environment that we work in was created by the clients, not us.



    many are not able to



    what would you say were the...
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    the problem has been that for most of the time...

    the problem has been that for most of the time that IR35 has existed, representative organisations have not been prepared to focus on these issues, but preferred to push the IBOYOA ideology. It's...
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    is a result of the requirements of clients to...

    is a result of the requirements of clients to save employment costs.
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    interesting, but even then, they are not regarded...

    interesting, but even then, they are not regarded as tax avoiders.
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    wouldn't it be a good idea for an organisation to...

    wouldn't it be a good idea for an organisation to be created that specialised in providing substitutes? There must be many individuals who will be leaving direct contracting for many reasons, e.g....
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    possibly, but what I think many forget is that...

    possibly, but what I think many forget is that the IT contractor community is not seen as an essential industry like farming is and that we are all regarded as tax avoiders.
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    an excellent analysis.

    an excellent analysis.
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    agreed, and it's a pity that IPSE didn't...

    agreed, and it's a pity that IPSE didn't recognise this sooner and campaigned appropriately
  48. he's been promised a peerage. This is how...

    he's been promised a peerage. This is how politics work.:)
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    yes, that was always a problem with BSA Gold...

    yes, that was always a problem with BSA Gold Stars.:laugh
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    agreed

    agreed
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