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  1. You could raise an FOI request and ask them

    You could raise an FOI request and ask them
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    Please do share here. Why the need for secrecy?

    Please do share here. Why the need for secrecy?
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    I assume we all got the same mass mail shot which...

    I assume we all got the same mass mail shot which said if you'd provided your info by 5th April HMRC would still like "to help us settle rather than pay the loan charge". How kind of them. If...
  4. I'm with you on this. I wouldn't be taking any...

    I'm with you on this. I wouldn't be taking any chances.

    If you're going to be inside after April with the same client that you were previously outside with, then your whole time with them is...
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    How would you go about doing that?

    How would you go about doing that?
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    I've received my brown envelope too. It's just...

    I've received my brown envelope too. It's just another pressure tactic to push people into settling before the August deadline. I think they just send them to everyone on the "user of loan...
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    You know that, and I know that. But Jo Bloggs...

    You know that, and I know that. But Jo Bloggs will argue that the answer is that if nobody worked under those conditions (ie. taxed as employee, but no employee benefits) then the employer would...
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    The people in the pub will probably just ask "why...

    The people in the pub will probably just ask "why you don't become an employee then?"
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    Exchanging letters won't have any effect. Your...

    Exchanging letters won't have any effect. Your MP probably hasn't even seen them. The aides will handle it with the standard lines. You actually need to go and see your MP in person at one of...
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    Really? That is not my understanding of the DB...

    Really? That is not my understanding of the DB situation.

    The "restructuring" that is happening makes absolute sense. Should have done it a couple of years ago, but better late than never.
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    No government will repeal IR35. HMRC have an...

    No government will repeal IR35. HMRC have an agenda of max tax. Contractors are a very easy target. It's a no brainer for the Treasury - why on earth would they repeal IR35? The private sector...
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    Technically Stride said that HMRC wouldn't make...

    Technically Stride said that HMRC wouldn't make anyone bankrupt. He didn't mention the debt collectors. At least he's moved on to a new role.
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    That sounds depressingly likely.

    That sounds depressingly likely.
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    You're right, it is just gossip. Some people do...

    You're right, it is just gossip. Some people do socialise with journalists and lobbyists though. I was a bit surprised at the JRM suggestion when I heard it.

    Not long to find out I suppose. ...
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    I agree with what you have said. Sadly, I do...

    I agree with what you have said. Sadly, I do think it is too late.

    I think Liz Truss was the favourite for chancellor at one time. However, if it's true she's team Mel Stride, then it won't be...
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    Not sure which trade association you are...

    Not sure which trade association you are referring to, but are they the ones that aren't on this https://www.hmrcloancharge.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Press_Release_Contracting_Sector.pdf ? ...
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    It's a shame really. The only alternative is to...

    It's a shame really. The only alternative is to accept it and move on. It's not going to go away. Way too much perceived lost money for the Treasury and contractors are low hanging fruit. Public...
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    I don't care either. I have absolutely zero...

    I don't care either. I have absolutely zero intention of joining any group doing anything about IR35. Because I got out of that game a while ago and I'm selfish. It's been clear for years that...
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    You need around £1 million to go all the way. ...

    You need around £1 million to go all the way. You need to allow 6 years for the average JR.

    Given the number of contractors affected by this issue, you should be able to count on a minimum of...
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    You don't actually need that big a group to join...

    You don't actually need that big a group to join together to be able to fund this. Of course it will take 6 years or so - that's the nature of the beast. Or just accept it and move on.
  21. Please also consider LCAG's helpline if the...

    Please also consider LCAG's helpline if the stress of the Loan charge is too much. Text ‘LCAG HELP’ to 81025 and a member of their team will call you back
  22. Sticky: Harsh :laugh

    Harsh :laugh
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    Sticky: As far as I am aware if your year is closed then...

    As far as I am aware if your year is closed then there is no interest to pay when you settle, as it is voluntary.

    If you think that the Loan Charge may be overturned and have no open years then...
  24. Sticky: " Really, over the years, some of the most...

    " Really, over the years, some of the most disastrously incompetent people manage to get new contracts without fail. "

    That was once true. It isn't now unless you have a network.

    And I can't...
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    Absolutely agree with this

    Absolutely agree with this
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    Have you read the threads? There is no...

    Have you read the threads? There is no negotiation. There are lots of "advisors" out there willing to take your money to try to negotiate though
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    It's quite clear that there are HMRC stooges...

    It's quite clear that there are HMRC stooges around. Both here and on Twitter.

    At this point in time, most people have decided to settle or fight. Anyone opting to fight will have joined a group...
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    So did NTRT get the will of the HoC and HoL...

    So did NTRT get the will of the HoC and HoL onside in less than a year? F4J went about their cause in a completely the wrong way.

    Regardless, I believe LCAG will make a difference. Lessons...
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    Well someone has to stand up and fight it. Seems...

    Well someone has to stand up and fight it. Seems most are just prepared to accept it, moan about it, but actually do nothing worthwhile and then pay up. Which is what the politicians expect, and to...
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    How offensive and condescending. I don't think...

    How offensive and condescending. I don't think the fight is over so I must be a complete idiot.

    No wonder politicians get away with the way they behave if people just give up. They want you...
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    I'm all too aware of when the loan charge came...

    I'm all too aware of when the loan charge came in. I don't think at all it's game over for LCAG - I think the opposite. But each to their own. An opinion is just that. It's a shame that so many...
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    There seems to be a view on here from some that...

    There seems to be a view on here from some that LCAG have failed and their cause is now futile. Far from it. Their achievements over the last year show that they are force to be reckoned with.
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  33. This. Save yourself a world of pain further down...

    This. Save yourself a world of pain further down the line and find another umbrella.
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    Agree with this. As keeps being said, paying the...

    Agree with this. As keeps being said, paying the loan charge doesn't settle any open underlying tax enquiries. The alternative to settling is to fight. Once you settle, it is final. You will not...
  35. Sticky: If all your years are closed then you are making...

    If all your years are closed then you are making a "voluntary" settlement. I suppose in that case they might let you settle some years and not others. Are you thinking of doing this because doing...
  36. Sticky: It is indeed recorded as closed. I did a SAR...

    It is indeed recorded as closed. I did a SAR about a year ago. Why they couldn't just send me a written acknowledgment at the time I don't know. Sorting out the SAR must have taken more time than...
  37. This - masses couldn't care less

    This - masses couldn't care less
  38. Sticky: When I settled under CLSO1 in 2014/5 I did not...

    When I settled under CLSO1 in 2014/5 I did not receive an acknowledgement of payment. I called their office (left a message) and someone did call me back after a few days to say that they had...
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    As BrilloPad said, it's already been explained. ...

    As BrilloPad said, it's already been explained. And if you're not involved in the scheme, then it doesn't effect you in any way. Why would you need to know?
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    Sticky: That would explain it!

    That would explain it!
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    Sticky: Wow, perhaps you can join forces with those that...

    Wow, perhaps you can join forces with those that seem to have a grudge against Phil Manley too?

    Perhaps Webberg will stop posting here and then all those who don't want to pay a single penny for...
  42. I presume they are treating the CTD as only ever...

    I presume they are treating the CTD as only ever having held £30k as you withdrew £30k and so lost the benefit of ever having that in the CTD
  43. I agree. According to them, the loan charge...

    I agree. According to them, the loan charge isn't retrospective.
  44. The fastest resolution would be a political one. ...

    The fastest resolution would be a political one. I quite like Webberg's idea that references the miners.
  45. It would be naive to think that Mel was going to...

    It would be naive to think that Mel was going to stand up and agree to a delay and independent review.

    What's the alternative to having the debate? Do nothing? Or is it better to follow the...
  46. The debate wasn't pointless. There is no binding...

    The debate wasn't pointless. There is no binding outcome but the motion was won and is now a matter of record.
  47. I'm fully aware of BN66 and was at the time. I...

    I'm fully aware of BN66 and was at the time. I still could never have foreseen the Loan Charge.
  48. Why is it sad that he has a conscience? If the...

    Why is it sad that he has a conscience?

    If the Loan Charge goes ahead unchallenged, it sets precedent for further retrospection. One does have a right to taxpayer certainty. Contractors are...
  49. You mean you foresaw the Loan Charge? Really?

    You mean you foresaw the Loan Charge? Really?
  50. Yes, LCAG have always been clear about their...

    Yes, LCAG have always been clear about their goal.

    The Loan Charge won't disappear tomorrow (11th April). The debate is about suspending the Loan Charge whilst an independent review takes place.
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