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    #11
    Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

    Lynnj, what Mark is saying is basically right.

    It's a similar problem to Karl1's, i.e. you need to add a mail account which specifies Magic Moments as the 'incoming' POP3 server, and breathe as the 'outgoing' SMTP. Your email address on the mail account should of course still be your .co.uk (e.g. [email protected]), so that people can reply. You will of course have to dial into breathe to send emails.

    I am surprised though that 'Magic Moments' don't provide their own SMTP service as they were a company I was considering for domain hosting/email forwarding some time ago.

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    A bit further clarification for anyone else who's "been reading this with interest".

    POP3 - as Mark stated, is a Post Office Protocol which allows you to receive email by having it forwarded to a specific server. This can then be retrieved using 'basic authentication', i.e. id/password, from any computer connected through the internet, regardless of ISP, service provider etc, etc. As mail is held on the server it also provides lots of other useful options such as allowing you to keep/delete it on the server before/after downloading, e.g. you wish to 'sync' multiple computers.

    SMTP - is the standard protocol used to send mail. It doesn't require authentication but many ISP's (correctly) restrict it's use to people who are part of the network, either by using caller id, network logon, or prior POP3 authentication. SMTP can generally only be used when you're sending mail using an address which is part of the network you're logged onto.

    Summary - basically you can use whatever email address you want, have as many domains/ISP's as you want, and consolidate emails in any way you want, as long as you ensure you use the correct servers for each stage.

    Next lesson IMAP4...

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    Now if only someone could help me with my question about XP and Windows Messenger

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      #12
      Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

      Actually, no ISP allows you to SEND email via any service except their own SMTP servers.

      So Lynn's domain hosts are perfectly correct in what they say. They could not accept SMTP traffic from her because they do not offer end user node facilities of their own. They can only store and forward traffic for collection by POP accounts.

      The outgoing side of all your email accounts must go via your ISPs SMTP server - your ISP will actively bar all other SMTP traffic.

      You simply configure your email accounts to look as though they are coming from your own domain, by editing the email and reply address to reflect your own domain email address.

      IE in Outlook, on the General Tab of each account, set the Email and Reply address to your own details (ie [email protected] in both parts)

      On the Server Tab

      set the POP setting to your domains pop server ie <popbox>.mydomain.co.uk (<popbox>as advised by your domain hosts).

      On each account set the SMTP setting to that advised by your ISP = ie smpt.myisp.co.uk.

      Set the Account Name & password setting to the actual account you want to pick up from your <popbox>.

      Some domain hosts allow you to have several accounts on your domain, with an email address for each. So each "named" account would need a separate email account set up within Outlook.

      However, there is often a way to configure a single email address to pick up every address that is sent to that domain - ie <anythingyoulike>@mydomain.co.uk.

      It all gets a bit complicated from here on in, but once the concept is grasped it is simplicity itself (and as many people here can testify, if I can get it anyone can).

      "But I want to be able to SEND from different account names as well" - I hear you cry.

      Ok, from within Outlook you can do that too. All you have to do is ensure that an outlook email account exists for that account then you can "Send Using" instead of simply using the Send button. Send Using is found in the "File" drop down menu.

      Oh, and just to clarify one final point. You don't have to have a named account set up at your domain host to "send using" that account - simply set it up the General tab using the details you want to be displayed in the outgoing mail - but set the details on the Server tab to identical settings of the primary collecting account - it won't matter. You could have 2 5 15 or 20 accounts, all poping and smtping the same actual accounts, but displaying different information in your actual outgoing emails.

      Of course its not "best practice". It starts getting overly complicated and unmanageable.

      Should I put up some help pages on my website with screen captures, etc.?? How much interest is there in this topic?

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        #13
        Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

        <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote>Quote:<hr> Actually, no ISP allows you to SEND email via any service except their own SMTP servers.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->

        unless you get hold of an open relay - 9 out of 10 spammers recommend them ;-)

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          #14
          Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

          :lol :lol

          Of course.

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            #15
            Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

            Thanks, everyone (particularly Robant). I can now send email using my co.uk account.

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              #16
              Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

              : blush

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                #17
                Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

                I've done a simple tutorial. Positive criticism and/or comments on how to improve it would be very welcome.

                www.ramms.co.uk/email_accounts.htm


                PS/ I accept that my description of SMTP blocking isn't totally technically correct - but it is from a practical standpoint.

                In fact, prior to my previous statement, ISPs DO NOT block outbound SMTP traffic to remote services. But most remote services (such as ISPs) block incoming SMTP from anywhere other than known hosts.

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                  #18
                  Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

                  BTW, Yahoo have stopped pop access for their free email accounts.

                  Is this right or have they just asked for cash from me and no-one else?

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                    #19
                    Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

                    Don't know - would be interested to find out though.

                    Are you saying that Yahoo do not provide POP access at all, or just that you have to dial in using a Yahoo account to POP?

                    I cannot imagine any reason why they would do that, apart from creating another revenue stream, or just wanting to charge for the space your incoming email is using up on their servers.

                    Do you have a particularly busy inbox at yahoo?

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                      #20
                      Re: Multiple Email Clients - a slightly different angle...

                      I've been using POP access for ages with Outlook for my yahoo account. But recently they started sending me email saying that the service would stop unless a fee was paid. I only receive, at the most, five 1kb to 20kb messages a day on it.

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