Public sector IR35 consultation launched

[youngguy]

Not really, you just tell the "employer" your current tax standing - equivalent to a permit giving them payslips or a P45 from their last employer, and they can work it out from there. Provided you keep payslips from your co. showing what you've "earned" you just inform the next client accordingly, or not if they are not PS.

It's been a long time since I was an employee, but I recall my tax being wrong several times. Add-on more than one source of income and it becomes a bit of a nightmare.

That said, I like your idea (in the sense of seeing the recruiters face when you say it)

[DaveB]

That isn't nearly good enough for anything but the simplest of arrangements. The liability could be drastically wrong when engaged in a mix of private and public sector contracts during a tax year, whether in sequence or in parallel. Also, frankly, I think you'd be perceived as not being credible unless you attempted to negotiate a gross payment. In that sense, it's really no different than negotiating a permie salary.

Which is exactly what HMRC want, so why not give it to them?

I did say I wasn't expecting to actually get much work under this arrangement

[jamesbrown]

Worth a read:

Chris Bryce: Hammond has a chance to reset policy towards the smallest businesses | Conservative Home

[bobspud]

There are a few ways to view this mess.

1) There will be departments that are really bad. There processes and ways to work will be from the 80's and they will have no change imperative. These departments probably fit into the Contractors cannot work here box. UKHO might be (probably is) one of those as they were always a bit of a basket case.

2) There will be departments that know how to use Digital Marketplace and know what they want and for how long and Contractors will be able to sell a specialist service to those departments by either being on the G-Cloud or working with intermediaries that are. These departments will be easy to work for and life will be normal.

UKHO have just taken the worse case fits all and were probably hoping that someone up the food chain would stop them being stupid. They did the same thing when the original fiasco came out a few years ago. It boils down to a lack of skill on the site and a very small pool of talent in the area as a whole. That said there were many contractors that had suffered in silence on the site for years so its easy to see how they may want to blur the lines and think they were all permanent staff.

The one thing that should most definitely come out of this mess is that contractors should no longer be able to kid themselves that they are outside IR35 while doing a BAU role.

[northernladuk]

Number 2 isn't quite as straight forward as you make out as agents supplying bums on seats have been moved off and in to the CL or similar framework so the departments are going that to have a rethink about how they get the work done if they go via Gcloud. Even if they do it's likely the contractor will be in scope anyway.

[bobspud]

Number 2 isn't quite as straight forward as you make out as agents supplying bums on seats have been moved off and in to the CL or similar framework so the departments are going that to have a rethink about how they get the work done if they go via Gcloud. Even if they do it's likely the contractor will be in scope anyway.

DWP have got their act together here is how it is supposed to be done...

https://www.digitalmarketplace.servi...rtunities/1112

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DWP have got their act together here is how it is supposed to be done...

https://www.digitalmarketplace.servi...rtunities/1112

And then you have

https://www.digitalmarketplace.servi...rtunities/1139

Which shows how it should not be done (sorry that's an CLone contract in my eyes)..

Also how bad is that site. surely they've heard of searching....

[northernladuk]

DWP have got their act together here is how it is supposed to be done...

https://www.digitalmarketplace.servi...rtunities/1112

But isn't that going to be almost a replica of the example of a small consultancy in the legislation doc so any contractor doing that will be caught anyway?

[bobspud]

But isn't that going to be almost a replica of the example of a small consultancy in the legislation doc so any contractor doing that will be caught anyway?

No because the request clearly states that the work is fixed in term and scope and will be based on pre-agreed work packages and milestones.

The work is agreed with not by the product owner...

[bobspud]

And then you have

https://www.digitalmarketplace.servi...rtunities/1139

Which shows how it should not be done (sorry that's an CLone contract in my eyes)..

Also how bad is that site. surely they've heard of searching....

As I said some departments are better than others. But take into consideration that the teams putting that into the market place are probably re-using a template for services that they already have. All it needs is a nudge in the right direction and we can sort that out.