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Support petition to scrap ICT (Intra Company Transfer) Visa in IT sector

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    #11
    Same problem that's been existing in the US (flooded by H1Bs) for years, and same causes: our "representatives" have sold us down the river to Big Business (the one that David Gauke loves so much)
    Anytime you hear there is a "shortage" of skilled labor, what they really mean is that there is a shortage of DIRT CHEAP skilled labor.

    All the rest is commentary.
    Help preserve the right to be a contractor in the UK

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      #12
      Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
      but a good consultant adjusts to market conditions to keep working.
      Not sure it's quite all as simple as you summarize it.
      Sometimes market conditions change quicker or more dramatically than you can adjust to. Doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being a good or bad consultant.
      Often you just have to be lucky.
      Help preserve the right to be a contractor in the UK

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        #13
        Originally posted by DotasScandal View Post
        Not sure it's quite all as simple as you summarize it.
        Sometimes market conditions change quicker or more dramatically than you can adjust to. Doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being a good or bad consultant.
        Often you just have to be lucky.
        ^^ These points.

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          #14
          Or maybe the "lucky' ones are the good ones?
          Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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            #15
            Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
            Or maybe the "lucky' ones are the good ones?
            Problem is the market in some areas has been saturated with people coming in from India and gaining the right to stay and ex-permamnent employees sick of wage stagnation.

            You can be as good as you want but if you can't get past an agent to get to an interview it doesn't help you.

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              #16
              Do the government ever listen to a change.org petition? Maybe a government one would be better, but you'll need 100000 people to sign up to get anywhere (and probably not even then).

              I don't see the government going for a complete axe ever though.
              First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. But Gandhi never had to deal with HMRC

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                #17
                Originally posted by DotasScandal View Post
                Same problem that's been existing in the US (flooded by H1Bs) for years, and same causes: our "representatives" have sold us down the river to Big Business (the one that David Gauke loves so much)
                Anytime you hear there is a "shortage" of skilled labor, what they really mean is that there is a shortage of DIRT CHEAP skilled labor.

                All the rest is commentary.
                Whether anyone believes it or not, Trump has implied that he will look at this

                Trump Eyes Changes to Guest Worker Programs
                First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. But Gandhi never had to deal with HMRC

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by bks View Post
                  It has become almost impossible to find IT jobs and contracts in UK
                  Has it? News to me.

                  Is it just me, or are many of the "there are no jobs, ban ICT's" posters on this thread struggling with basic grammar in their posts? (Not just the OP). Perhaps this is hindering their ability to find roles

                  FWIW, some organisations do appear to abuse ICT's. In my experience it has created as much work recovering failed projects as it has taken away.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by bks View Post
                    It has become almost impossible to find IT jobs and contracts in UK.
                    Originally posted by Crossroads View Post
                    Has it? News to me.

                    Is it just me, or are many of the "there are no jobs, ban ICT's" posters on this thread struggling with basic grammar in their posts? (Not just the OP). Perhaps this is hindering their ability to find roles

                    FWIW, some organisations do appear to abuse ICT's. In my experience it has created as much work recovering failed projects as it has taken away.
                    I think the OP was perhaps over-egging it with the statement that it has become almost impossible.

                    However, in my experience it has certainly become a lot more difficult to get contracts in the last 18 months than at any point since start of the financial crisis. Some of this may be attributed to immigration, ICT abuse and so on but many on here (me included) may have to accept that the market for your particular niche has moved to your disadvantage. Perhaps there's an oversupply of people for your skillset, perhaps clients are moving away from a particular technology.

                    To say it is all down to ICT abuse and immigration is far too simplistic but along with many I suspect than it certainly exacerbates the problem.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by ShandyDrinker View Post

                      However, in my experience it has certainly become a lot more difficult to get contracts in the last 18 months than at any point since start of the financial crisis.
                      The thing is that this isn't true for everyone - I know I'm not having problems but that's because I've moved towards a carefully picked niche rather than remaining a straightforward developer.

                      The manta from a lot of people around here for years has been to get up the food chain, specialise or ensure you are 100% customer facing. And if you haven't done one of those three you really are going to have problems.
                      merely at clientco for the entertainment

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