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Originally posted by DotasScandal View PostThey are not capable of connecting these dots, and they simply don't care. The same logic was displayed when asked whether they'd make people bankrupt over APNs (even though it means these guys will go straight onto the dole) rather than accepting a reasonable payment plan that would allow the contractors to keep contracting (the answer was a resounding "YES, we'll make all of you bankrupt".)
Equally there is an extra incentive for HMRC to take their usual blunt approach. It's designed to discourage others trying similar techniques...
Now I know you will continue to try and convince me that APNs are a forerunner of the other contractor attacks I just don't agree (heck I don't actually agree any of these attacks are directly aimed at contractors they are aimed at others using contractor like working methods to avoid tax).merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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As I said earlier somewhere it (scheme) is something I chose not to get involved in.
However, I didn't expect that they would do that, to me it is morally wrong to bankrupt people and change a law and then retrospectively grab.
I don't see how anyone wouldn't consider it wrong, or not be worried by the kind of precedent it could set..The Chunt of Chunts.Comment
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Originally posted by eek View PostStandard debt recovery is based on getting what you can get now rather than possibly jam tomorrow. Especially if that jam tomorrow is from someone with previous form for cheating....
Equally there is an extra incentive for HMRC to take their usual blunt approach. It's designed to discourage others trying similar techniques...
Now I know you will continue to try and convince me that APNs are a forerunner of the other contractor attacks I just don't agree (heck I don't actually agree any of these attacks are directly aimed at contractors they are aimed at others using contractor like working methods to avoid tax)."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostFootballers and pop stars have been caught using schemes and made bankrupt. Unlike IT contractors they aren't considered by many to be intelligent enough to work out it wasn't a good idea.
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They talk about a retro tax grab against PS contractors for example, but no problems for the PS body not paying NI and making them work that way.The Chunt of Chunts.Comment
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Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View PostAs I said earlier somewhere it (scheme) is something I chose not to get involved in.
However, I didn't expect that they would do that, to me it is morally wrong to bankrupt people and change a law and then retrospectively grab.
I don't see how anyone wouldn't consider it wrong, or not be worried by the kind of precedent it could set..Last edited by eek; 6 March 2017, 18:59.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostThe retrospective grab is against a small group of people (see BP and others who post on the BN66 threads). What happened there is utterly unfair amd highly dubious but for anyone who joined a scheme from 2007 onwards I'm sorry, but I have zero sympathy...
So, IMO, it is mis selling and should be treated as such.The Chunt of Chunts.Comment
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Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View PostI agree to a point, however as SE said a lot of others have suffered who are "less aware", (I knew I would get there )
So, IMO, it is mis selling and should be treated as such.
Yeah I'm annoyed they don't go after the scheme providers as well."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostWhat happened there is utterly unfair amd highly dubious but for anyone who joined a scheme from 2007 onwards I'm sorry, but I have zero sympathy...
2/ Prior to 2011, the concept of "disguised remuneration" didn't even exist. HMRC's attempt to say otherwise is pure revisionism. It's not me saying it, it's a renowned tax specialist not known for his tax avoidance sympathy.Comment
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Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View PostI agree to a point, however as SE said a lot of others have suffered who are "less aware", (I knew I would get there )
So, IMO, it is mis selling and should be treated as such.
True these schemes were being targeted at a different (far less / utter unsophisticated) market to the more sophisticated investor schemes used to target but that doesn't mean it becomes a consumer issue especially as most of the schemes came from a different jurisdiction.
Oh and before DS has another dig unlike most here I do help the posters in the HMRC enquiry thread out - I seem to be the person who organises the PM access requests - my only issue is that I don't believe there is anything wrong with HMRC asking for the tax that should have been paid to be paid.... Now if you argued that the calculations are insane and unfair due to their insane assumptions I would agree with that.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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