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    Thanks, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    Thanks, I think.

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    Would anyone care to clarify exactly what the point of the tea and biscuits meetings is? To influence anything? Not a chance. The outcome(s) is/are pre-ordained. A warm fuzzy feeling might be the only positive outcome I can think of, like "well we're being listened to". On the other hand HMG/HMRC can declare "well, we did listen" etc..... Nothing but a sham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Bloggs View Post
    Would anyone care to clarify exactly what the point of the tea and biscuits meetings is? To influence anything? Not a chance. The outcome(s) is/are pre-ordained. A warm fuzzy feeling might be the only positive outcome I can think of, like "well we're being listened to". On the other hand HMG/HMRC can declare "well, we did listen" etc..... Nothing but a sham.
    Unless, of course, those present make a fuss about blatant mis-representation on behalf of HMRC...
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    It's a fair point. However, if no-one did turn up then HMRC could claim that no-one is interested in engagement over IR35 and we would be even more in the dark as to what their line of thinking is.

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    This the only good point that I could see:
    18: What more could HMRC do to help people understand what compliant umbrella companies look like, and address the issue of non-compliant umbrella companies and promotors of avoidance schemes? HMRC is interested in doing further work in this area in partnership with members. It was agreed that HMRC would work with forum members to develop guidance products for businesses.
    Other than that, it all rather looked like a turkey shoot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cojak View Post
    This the only good point that I could see:

    Other than that, it all rather looked like a turkey shoot...
    Given HMRC's answer to

    viii) Concern that contractors are moving to non-compliant structures, driven by a desire to retain the same level of take-home pay, or in some cases by public bodies themselves. Also that supply chains in the private sector are more complex than in the public sector, making reform more difficult.
    HMRC is keen to work with the forum members on non-compliance with IR35 rules. In the context of the upcoming consultation views on visibility of the supply chain, particularly any differences between public and private sector supply chains would be welcomed. HMRC also welcomed the suggestion that CBI should also be invited to contribute to these discussions.
    I wouldn't be so sure about that.

    April 2018 will see this rolled out to the private sector. And before then we will see in December 2018 the historic investigations begin just to really scare everyone.

    I hope everyone has their escape plan ready...

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    Quote Originally Posted by madame SasGuru View Post

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