Would a permie do your commute?

[d000hg]

All very subjective but in your opinion would a permie where you work be willing to do and/or able to afford your commute/travel? Or if you were a permie, would you... answer whichever you think is most representative.

The intent of the poll is to find out how many of us work away from home or have prohibitively expensive travel which is only worthwhile on a contractor rate, as discussions about possible changes to expenses ramble on.

[Unix]

All very subjective but in your opinion would a permie where you work be willing to do and/or able to afford your commute/travel? Or if you were a permie, would you... answer whichever you think is most representative.

The intent of the poll is to find out how many of us work away from home or have prohibitively expensive travel which is only worthwhile on a contractor rate, as discussions about possible changes to expenses ramble on.

Depends on the permie, stupid question.

[TykeMerc]

All very subjective but in your opinion would a permie where you work be willing to do and/or able to afford your commute/travel? Or if you were a permie, would you... answer whichever you think is most representative.

The intent of the poll is to find out how many of us work away from home or have prohibitively expensive travel which is only worthwhile on a contractor rate, as discussions about possible changes to expenses ramble on.

Poorly worded as you've ignored the rather important fact that many permies work away from home for extended periods on company paid expenses.

On my last project the other major supplier had 4 SAP Basis consultants on site 3-5 days a week for almost a year. They all stayed in big chain hotels (Mariott, Hilton etc) that cost at least 2x what I was paying for the one I was using (family run small place with good facilities).
All 4 of those consultants have worked that way for years as permies, their working practices in terms of being on site and travelling are almost the same as mine, hell one of them lives a whole 15 miles from where I do.

[d000hg]

Depends on the permie, stupid question.

"Or if you were a permie, would you... answer whichever you think is most representative."

[d000hg]

Poorly worded as you've ignored the rather important fact that many permies work away from home for extended periods on company paid expenses.

Fair point. Let's assume that a permie would be getting their expenses paid for by the company to the same degree you do.

[MicrosoftBob]

At 5-6 hours each way I doubt it

[TykeMerc]

Fair point. Let's assume that a permie would be getting their expenses paid for by the company to the same degree you do.

In which case the whole Poll is irrelevant as the entire premise was that permies don't or won't work the way we do, clearly they do and you know it.

For each of us that travels a lot it would take very little effort to identify permies who have the same T&S requirements as us therefore the default answer is yes. That project I mentioned had a PM from Nottingham looking after the SAP Basis guys until a guy from Cardiff became free and took it over, that guy said this was the first time in 15 years working for that company he'd worked a commutable distance from home.

[d000hg]

In which case the whole Poll is irrelevant as the entire premise was that permies don't or won't work the way we do, clearly they do and you know it.

For each of us that travels a lot it would take very little effort to identify permies who have the same T&S requirements as us therefore the default answer is yes. That project I mentioned had a PM from Nottingham looking after the SAP Basis guys until a guy from Cardiff became free and took it over, that guy said this was the first time in 15 years working for that company he'd worked a commutable distance from home.

You're just being awkward for the same of it. The intent of the question is clear, this isn't General so stop being a PITA.

Working away is NOT the norm for a permie in IT and you know it. Just because you can find some who do, that's an edge case.

[TykeMerc]

You're just being awkward for the same of it. The intent of the question is clear, this isn't General so stop being a PITA.

Working away is NOT the norm for a permie in IT and you know it. Just because you can find some who do, that's an edge case.

I totally disagree that it's an edge case, I can't think of a single project I've delivered in the last decade where there weren't multiple permies on remote deployment and expensing extensively. I did 2 years at BAE where 90% of the three thousand or so permies were on expensed secondment from other areas of the country.
As you've accepted it's irrelevant if they're contractor or permanent there are people working on client sites for extended periods on T&S expenses, it's incredibly common in the large IT consultancies in all functions outside of BAU support and it's not unknown in BAU either for that matter.

The poll IS meaningless and increasingly so, there are hundreds of thousands of permies working on projects and client sites charging at least as much if not considerably more T&S than we do as contractors.

[Unix]

"Or if you were a permie, would you... answer whichever you think is most representative."

Yes as it's 30 mins walk or 10 min bus ride, hope that helps your study, which journal will you submit it to?