Xmas Lunches & IR35

[MarkT]

So I've been invited to a team Xmas lunch, should I go? It's been organised by the wider deptI work in, but we are paying for ourselves. Presume I should? I've always gone to these things in the past, but I'm growing concerned these days!

To note - I've also been invited to a tux dress code, xmas party, paid for by the clientco....I'm not going to that,..

[LondonManc]

Events that you have to pay for are fine - you're specifically being treated differently. Anything else, ask your accountant about.

[MrMarkyMark]

It's been organised by the wider deptI work in, but we are paying for ourselves.

The key is in your sentence above.

To note - I've also been invited to a tux dress code, xmas party, paid for by the clientco....I'm not going to that,..

Its not that you couldn't have gone, but, to stick to the letter of the law, you should pay to go.


HTH.

[northernladuk]

So many people with such a poor grasp of IR35. Makes me want to cry....

[d000hg]

Events that you have to pay for are fine - you're specifically being treated differently.

I read that as EVERYONE pays for themselves?

[MrMarkyMark]

I read that as EVERYONE pays for themselves?

Then its not here or there, it does matter in any case.
As long as he funds his own lunch, whatever others are doing, then he is fine.

[PurpleGorilla]

So many people with such a poor grasp of IR35. Makes me want to cry....

I think it's quite understandable.

Relationships are important, so an Xmas do can be good business. If the client wants to buy the mean - it really shouldn't be a problem. This is where HMRC fails to understand how people work in the real world. WTF should a few hundred quid of Xmas gifts and schmoozing count as BIS? Unless it is Bull Illogical S***

[d000hg]

Is it only about the money though? Isn't being invited with the permies like being treated as a permie - it's not an open invite, and they don't (I assume) invite other suppliers like their cleaner or whatever.

I think this is all rather daft personally. Businesses work based on relationships so if they want to invite you to their all-expenses paid dinner as a way of thanking you or as a mark or respect that is surely OK.

I get invited to my current client's thing, typically the MD emails me and asks if I'd like to come. That's not what the permies get.

[MarkT]

So many people with such a poor grasp of IR35. Makes me want to cry....

Well sometimes you just want to validate your own thought processes.

[MrMarkyMark]

Is it only about the money though? Isn't being invited with the permies like being treated as a permie - it's not an open invite, and they don't (I assume) invite other suppliers like their cleaner or whatever.

I think this is all rather daft personally. Businesses work based on relationships so if they want to invite you to their all-expenses paid dinner as a way of thanking you or as a mark or respect that is surely OK.

I get invited to my current client's thing, typically the MD emails me and asks if I'd like to come. That's not what the permies get.

Possibly, they would use the money as the "proof" factor.
I think its totally stupid too, I mean there is no issue when my agency takes me out for a paid for dinner / lunch / drinks.