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DodgyAgent
22nd September 2016, 13:06
Can we please have an emoticon for virtue signalling .


Now that the liberal left are on the run with nowhere to go we now need to kill them off once and for all

The movement no longer has a home. It has been caught in a pincer movement between Theresa May’s surprisingly radical Conservatism, where Cameroon liberalism suddenly no longer has a place, and Jeremy Corbyn’s regressive neo-Marxists, to whom Blairites are hated class traitors. As for the Liberal Democrats, led by the hapless Tim Farron, they are a broken-down vehicle, their reputation ruined for a generation.

It’s not just that the liberal Left are political orphans: their entire world-view is in tatters. They had a few big theories. One was that Britain had an inbuilt “progressive majority” and that the only challenge was how to unite the Left while tacking to the centre.

The establishment, including celebrities and entertainers, no longer sways voters; and attempts to demonise Eurosceptics as little Englanders, racists or bigots backfired spectacularly.
Another core theory was that history was on their side when it came to social change, the slow demise of nation-states, multiculturalism and the rise of the EU, and that the longer they were in power the greater their majority would thus become. Hence their ideological belief in “modernity”, which, according to them, was inherently Left-wing.

A third was that “soft power” was key in a post-industrial age characterised by dwindling trade union membership: the fact that creative types, actors, teachers, museum directors and charity bosses were on the liberal Left would cement their grip on society. Last but not least, they believed that they had the moral high ground, and that they could shame their opponents into oblivion.


It turns out that they were wrong on almost all counts. Over half the electorate voted Tory, Ukip or for Northern Irish unionist parties in the 2015 general election; 52 per cent backed Brexit in June. The electorate is sick of the EU and global institutions; it wants more democratic control, including over immigration.


The establishment, including celebrities and entertainers, no longer sways voters; and attempts to demonise Eurosceptics as little Englanders, racists or bigots backfired spectacularly. The backlash against the elites, now associated with the liberal Left, was spectacular.

A recent paper from the Social Market Foundation found that Britain’s two largest political tribes, who make up around half of the electorate and which it dubbed “Our Britain” and “Common Sense”, hold a range of what it described as “traditionally Right-wing views”.

On top of that, 7 per cent is free-market libertarian. Pure Left-liberals make up just 11 per cent of the electorate. Of course, there is a “progressive majority” on a few subjects – sadly, they include banning zero-hour contracts and renationalising trains – but these are secondary issues.

The reality is that the centre Left destroyed itself with Iraq, the financial crisis and then – for its Lib Dem component – when it backed tuition fees and went into coalition with the Tories. The only surprise is that it survived for so long.

Given all that, what can moderate Left-wingers actually do now? They certainly cannot do business with Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is a hard-Left republican who believes in total state control, socialism, punitive taxation, a rejection of international organisations such as the EU for being too pro-capitalist, and radical anti-militarism.

His party is riddled with anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism; his Marxist view of international affairs means that he is soft on extremist groups. It’s a despicable brew that would destroy Britain and wreak havoc globally were it ever implemented.

But the Left-liberals cannot do business with the Tories either. Mrs May is turning out to be a radical revolutionary: she will take us out of the EU, destroying 60 years of Left-liberal foreign policy; she will restrict immigration, and even spoke out against economic migration in her maiden speech to the United Nations; she will bring back selection in state schools, undoing a central plank of the post-Sixties Left-liberal consensus; she even wants to bolster religious schools.

This is a political and practical cataclysm for the liberal Left: May has dedicated herself to unwinding central swathes of their project. She isn’t a Thatcherite but her impact, if she delivers and remains in 10 Downing Street for long enough, could be just as great.

Of course, some of her issues, such as combating modern slavery, rightly attract universal support. Others, such as her wrong-headed belief that workers should be appointed to boards ought to please the Left – but the genesis of this silly idea, from Mrs May’s perspective, is Christian democratic rather than social democratic.

Such policies chime with an otherwise pro-capitalist Middle England: they reflect middle-class discontent, not a thought-through, coherent Left-wing ideology. The Left-liberals understand this, which is why they are unimpressed even by those of the Prime Minister’s policies they ought to like.

They are now clinging to the hope that Mrs May will overreach, implode and be replaced by someone such as George Osborne, who recently lay claim to the role of leader of what he described, incorrectly, as the “liberal mainstream majority”; this is one reason why they are so desperate for the economy to tank as Brexit proceeds.

Another hope is that a breakaway centre-Left party is formed out of moderate Labour MPs and possibly the Lib Dems: a reprise of the ill-fated SDP-Liberal alliance of 1981.

The former is unlikely: my bet is that the Prime Minister will confound her sceptics and deliver a steely negotiation, with her Chancellor supporting the economy. But if Mrs May did fall, a hardcore Brexiteer could well take over. As to a new party, Labour MPs would need immense courage to defect in large numbers. The Labour brand is so strong that, come the election, it is hard to see many centre-Left MPs surviving if they have to fight an official, Corbyn-backed Labour MP.

After years of being in the ascendant, the centre-Left is being ruthlessly and methodically routed. Brexit is the most important incarnation of this revolution, of course, but Westminster is only just beginning to grasp the scope and scale of Britain’s coming transformation.

fullyautomatix
22nd September 2016, 13:16
You need help, mate.

kevpuk
22nd September 2016, 13:25
..almighty snip...

Wow - TL;DR - as an extremely hard-working contractor, just wish I had the time to read this, let alone write it in the first place :p

DodgyAgent
22nd September 2016, 13:40
You need help, mate.

Can I join you? :happy

SimonMac
22nd September 2016, 14:01
Can we please have an emoticon for virtue signalling .


Now that the liberal left are on the run with nowhere to go we now need to kill them off once and for all

The movement no longer has a home. It has been caught in a pincer movement between Theresa May’s surprisingly radical Conservatism, where Cameroon liberalism suddenly no longer has a place, and Jeremy Corbyn’s regressive neo-Marxists, to whom Blairites are hated class traitors. As for the Liberal Democrats, led by the hapless Tim Farron, they are a broken-down vehicle, their reputation ruined for a generation.

It’s not just that the liberal Left are political orphans: their entire world-view is in tatters. They had a few big theories. One was that Britain had an inbuilt “progressive majority” and that the only challenge was how to unite the Left while tacking to the centre.

The establishment, including celebrities and entertainers, no longer sways voters; and attempts to demonise Eurosceptics as little Englanders, racists or bigots backfired spectacularly.
Another core theory was that history was on their side when it came to social change, the slow demise of nation-states, multiculturalism and the rise of the EU, and that the longer they were in power the greater their majority would thus become. Hence their ideological belief in “modernity”, which, according to them, was inherently Left-wing.

A third was that “soft power” was key in a post-industrial age characterised by dwindling trade union membership: the fact that creative types, actors, teachers, museum directors and charity bosses were on the liberal Left would cement their grip on society. Last but not least, they believed that they had the moral high ground, and that they could shame their opponents into oblivion.


It turns out that they were wrong on almost all counts. Over half the electorate voted Tory, Ukip or for Northern Irish unionist parties in the 2015 general election; 52 per cent backed Brexit in June. The electorate is sick of the EU and global institutions; it wants more democratic control, including over immigration.


The establishment, including celebrities and entertainers, no longer sways voters; and attempts to demonise Eurosceptics as little Englanders, racists or bigots backfired spectacularly. The backlash against the elites, now associated with the liberal Left, was spectacular.

A recent paper from the Social Market Foundation found that Britain’s two largest political tribes, who make up around half of the electorate and which it dubbed “Our Britain” and “Common Sense”, hold a range of what it described as “traditionally Right-wing views”.

On top of that, 7 per cent is free-market libertarian. Pure Left-liberals make up just 11 per cent of the electorate. Of course, there is a “progressive majority” on a few subjects – sadly, they include banning zero-hour contracts and renationalising trains – but these are secondary issues.

The reality is that the centre Left destroyed itself with Iraq, the financial crisis and then – for its Lib Dem component – when it backed tuition fees and went into coalition with the Tories. The only surprise is that it survived for so long.

Given all that, what can moderate Left-wingers actually do now? They certainly cannot do business with Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is a hard-Left republican who believes in total state control, socialism, punitive taxation, a rejection of international organisations such as the EU for being too pro-capitalist, and radical anti-militarism.

His party is riddled with anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism; his Marxist view of international affairs means that he is soft on extremist groups. It’s a despicable brew that would destroy Britain and wreak havoc globally were it ever implemented.

But the Left-liberals cannot do business with the Tories either. Mrs May is turning out to be a radical revolutionary: she will take us out of the EU, destroying 60 years of Left-liberal foreign policy; she will restrict immigration, and even spoke out against economic migration in her maiden speech to the United Nations; she will bring back selection in state schools, undoing a central plank of the post-Sixties Left-liberal consensus; she even wants to bolster religious schools.

This is a political and practical cataclysm for the liberal Left: May has dedicated herself to unwinding central swathes of their project. She isn’t a Thatcherite but her impact, if she delivers and remains in 10 Downing Street for long enough, could be just as great.

Of course, some of her issues, such as combating modern slavery, rightly attract universal support. Others, such as her wrong-headed belief that workers should be appointed to boards ought to please the Left – but the genesis of this silly idea, from Mrs May’s perspective, is Christian democratic rather than social democratic.

Such policies chime with an otherwise pro-capitalist Middle England: they reflect middle-class discontent, not a thought-through, coherent Left-wing ideology. The Left-liberals understand this, which is why they are unimpressed even by those of the Prime Minister’s policies they ought to like.

They are now clinging to the hope that Mrs May will overreach, implode and be replaced by someone such as George Osborne, who recently lay claim to the role of leader of what he described, incorrectly, as the “liberal mainstream majority”; this is one reason why they are so desperate for the economy to tank as Brexit proceeds.

Another hope is that a breakaway centre-Left party is formed out of moderate Labour MPs and possibly the Lib Dems: a reprise of the ill-fated SDP-Liberal alliance of 1981.

The former is unlikely: my bet is that the Prime Minister will confound her sceptics and deliver a steely negotiation, with her Chancellor supporting the economy. But if Mrs May did fall, a hardcore Brexiteer could well take over. As to a new party, Labour MPs would need immense courage to defect in large numbers. The Labour brand is so strong that, come the election, it is hard to see many centre-Left MPs surviving if they have to fight an official, Corbyn-backed Labour MP.

After years of being in the ascendant, the centre-Left is being ruthlessly and methodically routed. Brexit is the most important incarnation of this revolution, of course, but Westminster is only just beginning to grasp the scope and scale of Britain’s coming transformation.

Please in future cite your source

Rejoice! The liberal Left that once ruled over Britain is now being destroyed (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/21/rejoice-the-liberal-left-that-once-ruled-over-britain-is-now-bei/)

DodgyAgent
22nd September 2016, 14:02
Please in future cite your source

Rejoice! The liberal Left that once ruled over Britain is now being destroyed (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/21/rejoice-the-liberal-left-that-once-ruled-over-britain-is-now-bei/)

I cut and pasted the article rather than the link :o

MrMarkyMark
22nd September 2016, 14:24
Can I join you? :happy


We might be able to arrange for the two of you to share a cell, errrr..... I mean a treatment room.



:laugh

DaveB
22nd September 2016, 14:49
Wow - TL;DR - as an extremely hard-working contractor, just wish I had the time to read this, let alone write it in the first place :p

That's cos he didn't, he cobbled it together from other peoples work. Most, if not all of it, is a direct lift from this Telegraph article. I didn't read it all, frankly I couldn't be arsed.

Rejoice! The liberal Left that once ruled over Britain is now being destroyed (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/21/rejoice-the-liberal-left-that-once-ruled-over-britain-is-now-bei/)

At least he used to cite his sources when he was parroting other peoples opinions. Now he's given up even doing that.

Mods : What are the forums rules on copyright and posting other peoples work without attribution?

OwlHoot
22nd September 2016, 14:55
Come on guys, it's Dodgy. A link is pretty much superfluous.

We know it must be one of the Telegraph (www.telegraph.co.uk), the Mail (www.dailymail.co.uk), Conservative Woman (www.conservativewoman.co.uk), or Guido's Blog (order-order.com)

:rolleyes:

MrMarkyMark
22nd September 2016, 14:57
Come on guys, it's Dodgy. A link is pretty much superfluous.

We know it must be one of the Telegraph (www.telegraph.co.uk), the Mail (www.dailymail.co.uk), Conservative Woman (www.conservativewoman.co.uk), or Guido's Blog (order-order.com)

:rolleyes:

I'm guessing we are lucky he can actually read.
Most agents have trouble reading my CV, given some of the tulip, inappropriate, roles they call me about :laugh

NotAllThere
22nd September 2016, 15:17
...
Mods : What are the forums rules on copyright and posting other peoples work without attribution?Reduction of margin by 20% - proceeds passed onto his contractors - and a requirement to buy the first round of drinks at all CUK RL events.

MrMarkyMark
22nd September 2016, 15:24
Reduction of margin by 20% - proceeds passed onto his contractors - and a requirement to buy the first round of drinks at all CUK RL events.

That could put him in the negative zone, I think he's lying about his margin being that high.

Either that, or he has a whole stable of non-savvy contractors :eyes

DodgyAgent
22nd September 2016, 16:05
That's cos he didn't, he cobbled it together from other peoples work. Most, if not all of it, is a direct lift from this Telegraph article. I didn't read it all, frankly I couldn't be arsed.

Rejoice! The liberal Left that once ruled over Britain is now being destroyed (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/21/rejoice-the-liberal-left-that-once-ruled-over-britain-is-now-bei/)

At least he used to cite his sources when he was parroting other peoples opinions. Now he's given up even doing that.

Mods : What are the forums rules on copyright and posting other peoples work without attribution?

I am happy to admit that I cut and pasted the article and you are one of the liberal left to who the article refers :laugh

DodgyAgent
22nd September 2016, 16:06
That could put him in the negative zone, I think he's lying about his margin being that high.

Either that, or he has a whole stable of non-savvy contractors :eyes It's a sty not a stable :laugh

NotAllThere
23rd September 2016, 10:28
That could put him in the negative zone, I think he's lying about his margin being that high.

Either that, or he has a whole stable of non-savvy contractors :eyesReduce by margin by 20% means if it's 5%, it'll go down to 4% now.

d000hg
23rd September 2016, 10:36
Can we please have an emoticon for virtue signalling .


Now that the liberal left are on the run with nowhere to go we now need to kill them off once and for all Do shove off, there's a good fellow

northernladyuk
23rd September 2016, 13:25
Reduce by margin by 20% means if it's 5%, it'll go down to 4% now.

It depends what it's 20% of - the margin or the total. It could mean it goes down from 5% to -15%.

MrMarkyMark
23rd September 2016, 13:29
It depends what it's 20% of - the margin or the total. It could mean it goes down from 5% to -15%.

That's was my thinking, obviously NAT thinks differently to me.........



Oh hang on, that's likely to be a great advantage :D






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oracleslave
23rd September 2016, 14:04
I think we need a new Agent emoticon.

A sort of red faced creature in a shiny blue suit, pomaded oily hair sat behind a desk shouting into a phone.

MrMarkyMark
23rd September 2016, 14:08
I think we need a new Agent emoticon.

A sort of red faced creature in a shiny blue suit, pomaded oily hair sat behind a desk shouting into a phone.


Totally agree, Admin please make it so :D



A sort of red faced creature in a shiny blue suit, pomaded oily hair sat behind a desk shouting into a phone.

Obviously the real challenge will be to not make it too much like DA, libel and all that :eyes:





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DodgyAgent
23rd September 2016, 14:10
I think we need a new Agent emoticon.

A sort of red faced creature in a shiny blue suit, pomaded oily hair sat behind a desk shouting into a phone.

Something based on this?

http://i1.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article8105981.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/green.jpg

MrMarkyMark
23rd September 2016, 14:16
Something based on this?


No.....more like this

http://dougleschan.com/the-recruitment-guru/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/recruitment-consultant-job-opportunities.png

DodgyAgent
23rd September 2016, 14:37
No.....more like this

http://dougleschan.com/the-recruitment-guru/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/recruitment-consultant-job-opportunities.png

Where are the trappings of wealth?

MrMarkyMark
23rd September 2016, 14:38
Where are the trappings of wealth?

They can't all be on 30% margin, like your new "mate" :rolleyes:










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northernladyuk
23rd September 2016, 14:45
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/33/Swisstoni.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/234?cb=20090430230632

DodgyAgent
23rd September 2016, 14:45
They can't all be on 30% margin, like your new "mate" :rolleyes:










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Please do not take the p*ss out of my new friend :emb

DaveB
23rd September 2016, 14:51
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/33/Swisstoni.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/234?cb=20090430230632

Can't be, he's never made love to a beautiful woman :laugh

MrMarkyMark
23rd September 2016, 14:52
http://www.blackcoffeeblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Football-Agent.jpg

MrMarkyMark
23rd September 2016, 14:53
Please do not take the p*ss out of my new friend :emb

He does seem a little touchy, must be those 14 hour days he puts in :rolleyes:










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vetran
23rd September 2016, 15:11
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/33/Swisstoni.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/234?cb=20090430230632

must admit that does remind me of a lot of agents.

Gotta love Swiss Toni. I wonder does NAT look a bit like that?

barrydidit
23rd September 2016, 15:26
must admit that does remind me of a lot of agents.

Gotta love Swiss Toni. I wonder does NAT look a bit like that?

No, NAT is from Barnsley. Think:

http://i56.tinypic.com/m7w2nd.jpg

NotAllThere
23rd September 2016, 15:50
must admit that does remind me of a lot of agents.

Gotta love Swiss Toni. I wonder does NAT look a bit like that?
No. Too much hair.

No, NAT is from Barnsley. Think:

http://i56.tinypic.com/m7w2nd.jpgCloser, but again - too much hair.

SimonMac
27th September 2016, 13:43
I cut and pasted the article rather than the link :o

Suppose taking credit and profiting from others handwork isn't the behavior we should be shocked about from a pimp

DodgyAgent
27th September 2016, 16:45
Suppose taking credit and profiting from others handwork isn't the behavior we should be shocked about from a pimp

Quite :happy