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oliverson
27th September 2017, 14:00
Who will be the one to kill contracting in 2018?

ladymuck
27th September 2017, 14:52
HMRC for sure. Corbyn is a dog with no teeth while he's in opposition

oliverson
27th September 2017, 15:46
HMRC for sure. Corbyn is a dog with no teeth while he's in opposition

But that's the problem - it's looking increasingly likely that he'll end up as PM. Worrying. Perhaps they'll both form a coalition to scr3w us over?

SueEllen
27th September 2017, 16:33
But that's the problem - it's looking increasingly likely that he'll end up as PM. Worrying. Perhaps they'll both form a coalition to scr3w us over?

More fool him.

Watch the economy crash.

TheFaQQer
27th September 2017, 18:25
But that's the problem - it's looking increasingly likely that he'll end up as PM. Worrying.

That may be true, but do you think that there will be an election next year?

NotAllThere
27th September 2017, 19:13
The death of contracting has been predicted since 1997. Still here.

BrilloPad
27th September 2017, 19:47
HMRC. As they tell the government what to do.

ladymuck
27th September 2017, 21:15
But that's the problem - it's looking increasingly likely that he'll end up as PM. Worrying. Perhaps they'll both form a coalition to scr3w us over?

The question specifically said "in 2018".

eek
28th September 2017, 19:01
Roll on November 22nd and the actual bill...

oliverson
28th September 2017, 19:54
Roll on November 22nd and the actual bill...

I remember the budget when they announced the dividend tax. I was driving back to work on my lunch break and nearly crashed the car. I'm not driving on November 22nd for fear of what will probably come. Given HMRC see the Public Sector IR35 as a 'resounding success', it's 99% certain it will be applied to the private sector from April 2018. I really can't see it any other way.

eek
28th September 2017, 20:28
I remember the budget when they announced the dividend tax. I was driving back to work on my lunch break and nearly crashed the car. I'm not driving on November 22nd for fear of what will probably come. Given HMRC see the Public Sector IR35 as a 'resounding success', it's 99% certain it will be applied to the private sector from April 2018. I really can't see it any other way.

I actual expect an announcement but for a start in April 2019 - to give time for businesses to get prepared but lets see..

swamp
29th September 2017, 16:00
No chance of IR35 reforms moving to private sector.

The public sector reforms have raised nowhere near the £400m the Cabinet Office promised. And the government wouldn't get it through parliament right now even if the money had been raised.

AtW
2nd October 2017, 20:29
HMRC for sure. Corbyn is a dog with no teeth while he's in opposition

It's not HMRC, it's Tories.

jamesbrown
2nd October 2017, 20:44
No chance of IR35 reforms moving to private sector.

The public sector reforms have raised nowhere near the £400m the Cabinet Office promised. And the government wouldn't get it through parliament right now even if the money had been raised.

It doesn't necessarily matter whether it raises the money they promise (it's clouded in constructive ambiguity for now), only that they can make a promise about raising the money. That way, they can justify advance spending of their imaginary money on random tat (aka votes, aka magic money tree), without the OBR/IFS bleating too loudly (and, let's face it, no one is really listening anyway).

I've heard the argument about not getting it through Parliament, which TBF was also made when they had a decent working majority, but a Finance Bill is not going to fail, so it just depends how hard they want to push it.

Lance
2nd October 2017, 22:14
I remember the budget when they announced the dividend tax. I was driving back to work on my lunch break and nearly crashed the car. I'm not driving on November 22nd for fear of what will probably come. Given HMRC see the Public Sector IR35 as a 'resounding success', it's 99% certain it will be applied to the private sector from April 2018. I really can't see it any other way.

and if they do the client companies make a declaration of outside for all those who should be. Not sure I can see a problem. If you ARE a disguised employee then you should worry. If you're not then so what?

Perhaps it would be better if the permie-tractors are actually employees, and can get their pensions, sickbay and holiday pay as they deserve.
A large number of contractors are under MoO and SDC, and RoS is mostly a sham.

But most private clients will make an outside determination as it will cost them less.

eek
3rd October 2017, 07:36
and if they do the client companies make a declaration of outside for all those who should be. Not sure I can see a problem. If you ARE a disguised employee then you should worry. If you're not then so what?

Perhaps it would be better if the permie-tractors are actually employees, and can get their pensions, sickbay and holiday pay as they deserve.
A large number of contractors are under MoO and SDC, and RoS is mostly a sham.

But most private clients will make an outside determination as it will cost them less.

+1 and those private clients will have the correct incentive to ensure our work patterns keep us out of IR35 plus we won't need to worry about it any more - the decision will be made before the contract begins and many people will just go inside IR35 sorry not interested...