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thus78
2nd July 2019, 20:39
No need to discuss or explain IR35 private sector thread. If you are a contractor please sign the following:
Repeal IR35 legislation in Public Sector and proposed Private Sector rollout. - Petitions (https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/70577546/signed)

TwoWolves
2nd July 2019, 21:32
I would normally roll my eyes at the hopelessness of such a petition but with the prospect of a Johnson premiership with added desperation to warm the economy in any way possible it could stand a chance this time.

Paddy
2nd July 2019, 23:12
I would normally roll my eyes at the hopelessness of such a petition but with the prospect of a Johnson premiership with added desperation to warm the economy in any way possible it could stand a chance this time.

No chance!


Freelance workers and contractors have been treated unfairly by this ill conceived legislation since it's conception. It has been incorrectly used to investigate and prosecute many hardworking self employed business owners striving to be successful in today's world. IR35 is anti-business!

Since when has "unfair" been a factor in changing laws, in particular, tax laws?

NCOTBAC
2nd July 2019, 23:46
More or less the same as this petition which didn't go anywhere either.

https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/ir35-reform/124906-petition-against-ir35.html

Comments in that thread very much apply to this one as well.

At least the OP in that one managed to post it in the right part of the forum.

TwoWolves
2nd July 2019, 23:47
I don't think fairness will come into it.

His administration will be desperate to push any warmth into the private sector economy it can, faced with the hard-Brexit squeeze. It's an opportunity - for us.

NCOTBAC
2nd July 2019, 23:54
Oh. And this actually petition has been posted on here before, with less than glowing feedback again.

https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/ir35-reform/133004-repeal-ir35-legislation-public-sector-proposed-private-sector-rollout.html

Paddy
3rd July 2019, 00:01
How about a petition in favour of a law giving free pardons to all crimes committed by Etonians and ex Etonians?

Lance
3rd July 2019, 04:58
I don't think fairness will come into it.

His administration will be desperate to push any warmth into the private sector economy it can, faced with the hard-Brexit squeeze. It's an opportunity - for us.

More likely to help us is if Bojo realises there might be 1m votes in it at a GE.

AtW
3rd July 2019, 08:07
More likely to help us is if Bojo realises there might be 1m votes in it at a GE.

:rollin:

And there is even more votes (a lot more) if he promises to repeal income tax for all.

Paddy
3rd July 2019, 08:33
:rollin:

And there is even more votes (a lot more) if he promises to repeal income tax for all.

Income Tax was a temporary measure introduced in the Napoleonic Wars.

DoctorStrangelove
3rd July 2019, 09:28
"They" wouldn't get much out of ship tax or hearth tax these days. :smokin

However, window tax is another matter. :smokin

NigelJK
3rd July 2019, 10:42
Last in, First out. VAT for our entry in to the EC should go first.

AtW
3rd July 2019, 10:46
Last in, First out. VAT for our entry in to the EC should go first.

And what taxes would you increase to make up for shortfall?

Paddy
3rd July 2019, 11:13
Last in, First out. VAT for our entry in to the EC should go first.

Prior to VAT the UK had "purchase tax". Purchase tax was set at 33.3%. VAT started off at 10% then reduced to 8%.

Cars had purchase tax, plus car tax, plus duty plus road tax.

BTW: Any foreign purchase had to be deducted from your personal foreign exchange allowance which used to be £50 per year. You needed BOE permission to buy a foreign car.

AtW
3rd July 2019, 11:25
Prior to VAT the UK had "purchase tax". Purchase tax was set at 33.3%. VAT started off at 10% then reduced to 8%.

Cars had purchase tax, plus car tax, plus duty plus road tax.

BTW: Any foreign purchase had to be deducted from your personal foreign exchange allowance which used to be £50 per year. You needed BOE permission to buy a foreign car.

FFS, life in the UK sucked before EU! :eek

DoctorStrangelove
3rd July 2019, 13:27
FFS, life in the UK sucked before EU! :eek

You had to join a club or somesuch if you wanted a charter flight to Spain or where ever.

It was like the dark ages.:smokin

Purchase tax was levied on the wholesale price of the goods.

It went up & down like a whore's drawers, 33%, 66%, 100%, according to the whim of the Chancellor.

Decimalisation was brought in to make VAT easier. :rollin

Pre decimalisation computers had hardware to cope with £sd.

Don't forget that the highest rate of Income Tax was 98%.

SimonMac
3rd July 2019, 13:46
Happy to sign, but can I be the pessimist and ask what makes anyone think this petition would be any different than all the ones that have gone before?

AtW
3rd July 2019, 14:07
You had to join a club or somesuch if you wanted a charter flight to Spain or where ever.

It was like the dark ages.:smokin

Purchase tax was levied on the wholesale price of the goods.

It went up & down like a whore's drawers, 33%, 66%, 100%, according to the whim of the Chancellor.

Decimalisation was brought in to make VAT easier. :rollin

Pre decimalisation computers had hardware to cope with £sd.

Don't forget that the highest rate of Income Tax was 98%.

Thank food for UK joining EU!!!

Oh wait...

thus78
3rd July 2019, 16:10
Yesterday there were around 5k votes and today the count reached to 11,722!! I have seen this petition on some other forums and social media groups as well. If you didn't sign it yet please add your signature. Also we should let the other contractors around us never heard about this petition.

thus78
3rd July 2019, 16:15
Happy to sign, but can I be the pessimist and ask what makes anyone think this petition would be any different than all the ones that have gone before?

The answer is on the url:
"At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament"

There are a couple of million people currently working as a self-employed person in the U.K. It shouldn't be difficult to reach 100k!

SimonMac
3rd July 2019, 16:17
The answer is on the url:
"At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament"

There are a couple of million people currently working as a self-employed person in the U.K. It shouldn't be difficult to reach 100k!

But given the canned response we have all had from MP's, and being "considered for debate" is not the same as being debated in Parliament, again what will be different?

IPSE claimed to represent 4.8 million Self Employed, but very few of them will care about this (other than those who are already engaged, not saying all Self Employed won't care)

NCOTBAC
3rd July 2019, 16:47
The answer is on the url:
"At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament"

There are a couple of million people currently working as a self-employed person in the U.K. It shouldn't be difficult to reach 100k!But not one has gotten anywhere near that and just look at the response on the two I linked. It's as SimonMac says, standard blurb.

You've got to be slightly deluded to think it'll get to 100k and if it did there will be any meaningful debate bearing in mind their plans are so far on.

I've also got an issue of how poorly worded these petitions are which don't really make good grounds for debate. I can't see them being taken very seriously even if it did get there. Not sure who's going to lead a debate on how 'unfair' it is for us. IMO this and the second one I linked make us look pretty bad if anything.

AtW
3rd July 2019, 17:32
1. Will be considered
2. For debate

RobbieT
3rd July 2019, 20:27
Hi all,

Not sure if you all seen this but trying get this out to all contractors to sign.

Repeal IR35 legislation in Public Sector and proposed Private Sector rollout. - Petitions (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/262354)

Many thanks.

Robbie

cojak
4th July 2019, 04:55
Well you obviously didn’t see the first thread so I’ll just put it here.

thus78
6th July 2019, 01:20
17,810 votes! We still have highly enough time till December. Every time when I meet / chat with one of my friends I share the petition url and ask them to sign it. We are all in the same boat guys; 100k is not impossible. Please do the same and share this url with the people around you.

MrButton
6th July 2019, 06:22
Very much doubt it will get to 100k.

If it did then they won’t debate it. There is no need to debate a poorly put together petition.

Especially as the public sector rollout is considered a resounding success by HMRC.

DeludedKitten
6th July 2019, 08:53
The answer is on the url:
"At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament"

There are a couple of million people currently working as a self-employed person in the U.K. It shouldn't be difficult to reach 100k!

How many of the millions are affected by IR35? How many even know about it?

Construction is the biggest sector and they have the CIS to cover their stuff so it's irrelevant. Creative industries are huge and they are generally unaffected because of the way they work and the things they do.

100k you need about 40% of the IT market to sign it. Where are you going to get the traction to get the awareness, let alone the inclination to sign it?

And even if it hits 100k (and it won't get close), you need some decent MPs to take part in the Westminster Hall debate, and government to listen to it. Jesse Norman might rock up to say he's heard it, nothing more than that.

MarillionFan
6th July 2019, 09:05
17,810 votes! We still have highly enough time till December. Every time when I meet / chat with one of my friends I share the petition url and ask them to sign it. We are all in the same boat guys; 100k is not impossible. Please do the same and share this url with the people around you.

Just signed.

ill stick a link on LinkedIN later and contractor Facebook groups

MarillionFan
6th July 2019, 09:11
17,810 votes! We still have highly enough time till December. Every time when I meet / chat with one of my friends I share the petition url and ask them to sign it. We are all in the same boat guys; 100k is not impossible. Please do the same and share this url with the people around you.


If if someone can put some simple copy together explaining what it is and how it could affect self employed people with multiple clients & how much more they’d pay than everyone else I’m convinced you could get traction with this