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    'There is no war on terror'

    From todays Guardian

    'Outspoken DPP takes on Blair and Reid over fear-driven legal response to threat'

    The director of public prosecutions, Sir Ken Macdonald, put himself at odds with the home secretary and Downing Street last night by denying that Britain is caught up in a "war on terror" and calling for a "culture of legislative restraint" in passing laws to deal with terrorism.
    Sir Ken warned of the pernicious risk that a "fear-driven and inappropriate" response to the threat could lead Britain to abandon respect for fair trials and the due process of law.

    He acknowledged that the country faced a different and more dangerous threat than in the days of IRA terrorism and that it had "all the disturbing elements of a death cult psychology".

    But he said: "It is critical that we understand that this new form of terrorism carries another more subtle, perhaps equally pernicious, risk. Because it might encourage a fear-driven and inappropriate response. By that I mean it can tempt us to abandon our values. I think it important to understand that this is one of its primary purposes."

    Sir Ken pointed to the rhetoric around the "war on terror" - which has been adopted by Tony Blair and ministers after being coined by George Bush - to illustrate the risks.

    He said: "London is not a battlefield. Those innocents who were murdered on July 7 2005 were not victims of war. And the men who killed them were not, as in their vanity they claimed on their ludicrous videos, 'soldiers'. They were deluded, narcissistic inadequates. They were criminals. They were fantasists. We need to be very clear about this. On the streets of London, there is no such thing as a 'war on terror', just as there can be no such thing as a 'war on drugs'.

    "The fight against terrorism on the streets of Britain is not a war. It is the prevention of crime, the enforcement of our laws and the winning of justice for those damaged by their infringement."

    Sir Ken, head of the Crown Prosecution Service, told members of the Criminal Bar Association it should be an article of faith that crimes of terrorism are dealt with by criminal justice and that a "culture of legislative restraint in the area of terrorist crime is central to the existence of an efficient and human rights compatible process".

    He said: "We wouldn't get far in promoting a civilising culture of respect for rights amongst and between citizens if we set about undermining fair trials in the simple pursuit of greater numbers of inevitably less safe convictions. On the contrary, it is obvious that the process of winning convictions ought to be in keeping with a consensual rule of law and not detached from it. Otherwise we sacrifice fundamental values critical to the maintenance of the rule of law - upon which everything else depends."

    His comments will be seen as a swipe against government legislation allowing the indefinite detention of suspected terrorists without trial, later held incompatible with human rights by the courts, and the replacement law that permits suspects to be placed under control orders instead of being brought to trial.

    Sir Ken referred to the government's opt-out from the European convention on human rights to pass the detention law - possible under the convention only if the "life of the nation" is threatened. "Everyone here will come to their own conclusion about whether, in the striking Strasbourg phrase, the very 'life of the nation' is presently endangered," he said. "And everyone here will equally understand the risk to our constitution if we decide that it is, when it is not."

    The criminal justice response to terrorism must be "proportionate and grounded in due process and the rule of law," he said. "We must protect ourselves from these atrocious crimes without abandoning our traditions of freedom."
    Somebody talking some bloody sense at last.
    "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

    #2
    Aye. 3 cheers for the man.
    "Deluded narcisstic inadequates" is about the sum of it. By glorifying these so called "terrorists" we add a sheen of glamour in which they revel.
    Have been reading a biography of the Blitz recently. To put it into perspective, every raid cost an average of 300 lives in London.
    These guys are small time petty criminals by comparison...
    Hard Brexit now!
    #prayfornodeal

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      #3
      Originally posted by DaveB
      From todays Guardian

      'Outspoken DPP takes on Blair and Reid over fear-driven legal response to threat'



      Somebody talking some bloody sense at last.
      Indeed. If we call it "war" and that then means that the government can jettison every hard-won freedom since Magna Carta, then the terrorists have won, and it is PM and Home Sec that have handed them the victory.

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        #4
        Originally posted by expat
        Indeed. If we call it "war" and that then means that the government can jettison every hard-won freedom since Magna Carta, then the terrorists have won, and it is PM and Home Sec that have handed them the victory.
        The terrorists may see victory in this - but the biggest victors by far will be our leaders, politics & big business. It's in their interests to cry 'war' and that is exactly what they're doing. In the US it's more transparent than here.

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          #5
          Those evil bomb making Muskies will rejoice at your tree Hugging lilly-liveredness

          Mailman/Shaunbhoy x
          The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

          But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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            #6
            The government must be laughing its socks off...

            Huge majority say civil liberty curbs a 'price worth paying' to fight terror

            An overwhelming majority of people in Britain are willing to surrender civil liberties to help tackle the threat of terrorism, the nation's leading social research institute will disclose today.

            The survey found seven in every 10 people think compulsory identity cards for all adults would be "a price worth paying" to reduce the threat of terrorism. Eight in 10 say the authorities should be able to tap the phones of people suspected of involvement in terrorism, open their mail and impose electronic tagging or home curfews.

            Conor Gearty, professor of human rights law at the London School of Economics and joint author of the report's civil rights chapter, said: "The very mention of something being a counter-terrorism measure makes people more willing to contemplate the giving up of their freedoms. It is as though society is in the process of forgetting why past generations thought these freedoms to be so very important."
            I'm Spartacus.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Spartacus
              An overwhelming majority of people in Britain are willing to surrender civil liberties to help tackle the threat of terrorism, the nation's leading social research institute will disclose today.
              Ever get the feeling you're surrounded by a nation full of ******* morons?

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                #8
                Originally posted by realityhack
                Ever get the feeling you're surrounded by a nation full of ******* morons?
                There was a similar article in the Independent a few months ago along the same lines. It said those concerned about erosion of civil liberties felt like they were trapped in a nightmare, shouting to passers by of the danger, but no one could hear them.
                I'm Spartacus.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bagpuss
                  Those evil bomb making Muskies will rejoice at your tree Hugging lilly-liveredness

                  Mailman/Shaunbhoy x
                  And don't forget Chico. He claimed that General Mike Jackson was a tree-hugging bed-wetting liberal appeaser of terrorists.
                  I'm Spartacus.

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                    #10
                    The anti-libertarian laws pushed by this government are mostly to cope with problems of their own creation (Iraq) or quite pointless (why have ID cards to detect illegal migrants if when they are found you rarely deport them anyway?).

                    Also pernicious, in the DT today many now believe it is OK for suspects to be questioned by police with no representation and that it is not a big deal if we get wrong convictions.

                    Between the government and the crap third world religious influences entering our country, our liberty is being destroyed before it really got going.
                    bloggoth

                    If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
                    John Wayne (My guru, not to be confused with my beloved prophet Jeremy Clarkson)

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