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Bumfluff
19th February 2009, 22:39
Ok this isn't me but a colleague, they used Sunday Solutions a while back using some partnership scheme, Sunday Solutions were supposed to pay HRMC is £ cash which they held on his behalf by Jan 31st for 07-08 tax SA, but they didnt now they won't return his calls keeps getting excuses from them, anyone else in the same boat or know whats going on ?

Waldorf
20th February 2009, 00:05
why would they hold onto his personal tax money?

Sounds a strange to me.:eek:

Bumfluff
20th February 2009, 00:10
why would they hold onto his personal tax money?

Sounds a strange to me.:eek:

I don't know the details of the setup this person was using but it was a Limited Liability Partnership, if that helps.

BolshieBastard
20th February 2009, 19:16
Obviously they are having a bit of a 'cash flow' problem right now!

These divi's tried to get me on board but a told them where to go. Thankfully!

pmeswani
20th February 2009, 19:29
Obviously they are having a bit of a 'cash flow' problem right now!

These divi's tried to get me on board but a told them where to go. Thankfully!

I had a phone call from a company recently where my details were passed on from Sunday Solutions. I told them I wasn't interested in any of their solutions. Unfortunately I can't remember the name of the company. I'm guessing that Sunday Solutions have pulled a fast one and are about to go bust.

oceanblue
24th February 2009, 14:40
So who is everyone else using?
I use Sunday solutions and they are seemingly less helpful each time.
I like a nice no maintenance solution, which is what they provide.

ribble
25th February 2009, 10:31
I'm using Sunday Solutions at the moment. This thread maybe has me a little worried. I am planning to go limited within the next couple of months.

Is there any steps I can take to protect myself? PCG etc???

Anybody else using Sunday?

Svalbaard
25th February 2009, 10:56
I'm using Friday solutions. They always seem to be a little behind the times.

ribble
25th February 2009, 11:14
Thanks for the contructive comment!!! :laugh

raetest
27th February 2009, 12:19
Yep they have done the same to me !

ribble
27th February 2009, 14:13
who is liable? would the tax man come after the contractor or does it stop with the umbrella company? what happens if they go bust?

Dan

Fred Bloggs
27th February 2009, 14:33
who is liable? would the tax man come after the contractor or does it stop with the umbrella company? what happens if they go bust?

Dan
You pay.

DaveB
27th February 2009, 14:35
who is liable? would the tax man come after the contractor or does it stop with the umbrella company? what happens if they go bust?

Dan

You are responcible for settling your personal tax liabilities. Whatever you choose to do with the money in the meantime is neither here nor there as far as HMRC are concerned.

ribble
27th February 2009, 14:37
Surely its not a simple as that? And if it is - is there anything I can do to protect myself now?

Dan

DaveB
27th February 2009, 14:39
Get out of the scheme asap and go ltd. Talk to the PCG if you need help dealing with them and getting the money out of them. Assuming you are a PCG memeber.

tommygun
27th February 2009, 18:30
Their accountants are Bradbury and Co. They are the guys who transfered my tax money to my bank account. Tell your mate to speak to them and also demand the interest earned on that lump sitting in their account.

Liability
28th February 2009, 13:37
this is crazy! If this was me - Id be on there doorstep having words with the main people - and strong ones at that.

If they are ignoring you and causing issues - this is serious.

Liability
28th February 2009, 13:39
I'm using Friday solutions. They always seem to be a little behind the times.

I use Monday Solutions - they sort everything out before it needs doing.

contractor_v
2nd March 2009, 10:50
You guys aren't the only ones with Sunday Solutions problems. They seem to be running a scam where they retain money for the tax liability and never pay it back. If they're scamming you, get onto your solicitors now

poppy01
2nd March 2009, 16:34
A colleague of mine uses them and I advised him of this thread. He emailed SS to see what the score was and received this reply :-


This has only affected a small percentage of partners and partnerships. As part of an internal quality audit performed by the partnership accountants a number of miss postings relating to expenses were discovered. This has an effect on the tax position of the relevant partnerships. All partners affected have been sent correspondence outlining the situation. HMRC have also been informed. Any additional charges and penalties incurred as a result of late payment will not be charged to the partners. The situation is under control and will be resolved in due course.

Simonal
2nd March 2009, 17:31
I am also having a similar problem with Sunday Solutions/Bradbury & Co and will keep both an eye on this thread and also update it as I have further responses.

Cheers

Simon

PS luckily I now have a LTD co and would never again trust an umbrella organisation.

contractor_v
2nd March 2009, 18:13
Sunday Solutions and their accountants Bradbury & Co are one and the same. Andrew Nyiri is the sole director of both.

They have left me with a large tax bill which they are supposed to have paid with the money they have retained. In the unlikely event anyone answers the phone, no one will comment on the money they owe either. HMRC know nothing about this apart from the fact that they don't like Sunday Solutions.

Needless to say, I will be chasing them relentlessly.

pmeswani
2nd March 2009, 18:22
A colleague of mine uses them and I advised him of this thread. He emailed SS to see what the score was and received this reply :-


This has only affected a small percentage of partners and partnerships. As part of an internal quality audit performed by the partnership accountants a number of miss postings relating to expenses were discovered. This has an effect on the tax position of the relevant partnerships. All partners affected have been sent correspondence outlining the situation. HMRC have also been informed. Any additional charges and penalties incurred as a result of late payment will not be charged to the partners. The situation is under control and will be resolved in due course.

Well, I'm glad I didn't fall for their sh*t sales tactics over a year ago. They tried to get me to join them on a shoestring argument about my current accountant (who I admit have had some bad press regarding EBT loans). They even tried to tell me that the contract I signed with the contract related to signing up to EBT loans (when it clearly did not). I told them in an email to bugg*r off and to leave me alone.

FICO
3rd March 2009, 09:31
I am a contractor registered with Sunday Solutions

I received a letter from the tax man saying that my tax bill was not paid, even though I had a letter from the accountants (Bradbury) saying that everything has been paid and submitted.

I called up the accountants to check, I received a call yesterday saying that due to a system error it looks like my tax wasn't paid.

The accountants said they will pay this instantly and pay any late fees and interest and to forward them any more letters I receive.

I hope I am ok for my next tax return and payment as its a big tax bill but I have never had any problems from them at all.

raetest
3rd March 2009, 09:43
maybe the people concerned should talk to each other - it's happend to me £10,000

Zerome001
3rd March 2009, 12:22
I am also having the same problem, I have received the email but Bradbury are not returning my calls - have been leaving messages since last tuesday with their 'answering service' with the promise of it being marked urgent and a call back. Anyone know what is going on? I have never had problems with them before but now I seem to be on the list of people they wont't talk to.

contractor_v
3rd March 2009, 14:21
i keep calling and get a receptionist that doesn't know anything. Apparently they are diverting their calls to a call centre.

It's sounding very dodgy - someone did eventually call back, and said they couldn't comment on my case. And then kept saying that I have to put things in writing. NOT REASSURING AT ALL!

Has anyone actually got their money back/had their tax bill paid? Please let me know how! :ohwell

ribble
3rd March 2009, 15:35
Just recieved this mail....



An email has been brought to our attention today regarding Sunday and we felt it important to immediately address the content of this communication.

Sunday has dealt with somewhere in the order of a thousand consultants on the run up to the January Self Assessment, via the use of external accountancy companies and contract staff. The vast majority of these contractor Self Assessments have been submitted and tax paid, however we have been advised that a small number of expenses have been mis-posted which affects a very few contractors.

You should note you are NOT affected by this and we pass this to you as information only.

We are also informed that Bradbury has now issued a letter to the Partners affected which includes a commitment to cover any costs for the late submission. The consultants affected are a small proportion of Sundays Client base and those that are affected are being compensated.

We believe that the information posted on the internet and subsequent e-mails have been both highly inflammatory and unwarranted, with the potential for harming and worrying both Sunday and non-affected customers of Sunday. As a result, we are in the process of legal consultation.

We assure you that Sunday is entirely focussed as an organisation on dealing with the very small number of cases that have been affected.

We trust the above helps explain the situation. Any further enquiries should be directed to info@sundaysolutions.co.uk (info@sundaysolutions.co.uk)

Alan @ BroomeAffinity
3rd March 2009, 16:49
This may not be relevant but neither Sunday Solutions or Bradbury have filed accounts with CH for a couple of years.

pmeswani
3rd March 2009, 16:55
This may not be relevant but neither Sunday Solutions or Bradbury have filed accounts with CH for a couple of years.

:spel surprising

HTH

deckster
3rd March 2009, 18:47
We believe that the information posted on the internet and subsequent e-mails have been both highly inflammatory and unwarranted, with the potential for harming and worrying both Sunday and non-affected customers of Sunday. As a result, we are in the process of legal consultation.

Precis: We cocked up, and now we're going to sue the people that complained

Way to treat your customers....

poppy01
4th March 2009, 09:11
Precis: We cocked up, and now we're going to sue the people that complained

Way to treat your customers....

I understand the legal consultation is with regard to an email from someone who seems to have access to the sundays client list, promoting an alternative solution. disgruntled ex-employee comes to mind, but who knows.

i dont think anyone who has posted questions re the service here are at any risk

pmeswani
4th March 2009, 09:57
I understand the legal consultation is with regard to an email from someone who seems to have access to the sundays client list, promoting an alternative solution. disgruntled ex-employee comes to mind, but who knows.

i dont think anyone who has posted questions re the service here are at any risk

Well, Sunday Solutions knows who I am and can identify me via my username. I don't think I'll be happy if they took me to court as a result of expressing my views.

Edit: Re-read posting. Misread what was originally posted.

Zerome001
4th March 2009, 11:35
Anyone any the wiser? I have again tried to contact Bradbury this am and was met with the 'no-one' is available from the answering service. has anyone actually spoken with bradbury & co recently

Space
4th March 2009, 11:57
I too had a similar problem and did what I wish i'd done a long time ago. Went to a chartered accountancy that specialises in contractor handling and formed a limited company. better return and better management. If anyone wants a personal intro let me know, not on comm so is done because they are very reliable and glad i found them

FICO
4th March 2009, 14:09
Anyone any the wiser? I have again tried to contact Bradbury this am and was met with the 'no-one' is available from the answering service. has anyone actually spoken with bradbury & co recently


looks like you didnt ready my post earlier in the thread


I am a contractor registered with Sunday Solutions

I received a letter from the tax man saying that my tax bill was not paid, even though I had a letter from the accountants (Bradbury) saying that everything has been paid and submitted.

I called up the accountants to check, I received a call yesterday saying that due to a system error it looks like my tax wasn't paid.

The accountants said they will pay this instantly and pay any late fees and interest and to forward them any more letters I receive.

I hope I am ok for my next tax return and payment as its a big tax bill but I have never had any problems from them at all.

dumbo
4th March 2009, 17:55
I'm getting nothing out of Bradbury or sunday, both run by Andrew Nyiri

I spoke to the tax office, they knew nothing of the issue or the sunday solutions claimed contact with them. The Taxman asked if i could pay the full amount right there and then 27k by the way.

I know 5 people with sunday solutions and all of us have the same issue, so as for the small percentage affected, this is not true in my small test sample, its 100%.

I've been calling an leaving messages since friday, i have had no real information from anyone. One guy said that there is an issue with a large amount of returns but assured me the company was not about to go bust, he could not discuss my case. Supposedly we can only talk to Andrew Nyiri and I'd bet he is a busy boy or under his desk hiding until his investment returns.

one of the other guys involved has a family member in the press and is progressing this story. Watch dog has been mentioned !!! We're looking at a good few million missing, total guess.

I think, if they do not pay and we have to chase, the amounts concerned are to much for small claims so probably an expensive court battle would have to be fought. I have my fingers crossed that this is a true problem with figures compounded with some cash flow issues and the lack of credit facilities. I'm informed that they have an experien credit score of 0(I have not checked myself), not a good place to be when credit is scarce.


I' going to hold out until tomorrow then speak to someone who can tell me legally what to do, being ignored by the people that are paid to help is not good. The letter offered advice, they have done nothing but hide !!! .



anyway sorry to join the forum on a bad one, I'll be checking the other posts cheers

Titanic
5th March 2009, 00:28
I am having the exact same problem. Needless to say I am shitting myself right now.

I'll monitor this thread closely.

raetest
5th March 2009, 09:00
Dont wait - act now!

Zerome001
6th March 2009, 09:14
Has anyone made any progress on this? had the matter resolved?

bb hanns
6th March 2009, 09:43
Contacting Andrew Nyiri and complaining (or demanding your money back) is not the way to resolve this issue. It might make you feel better, but it won't resolve the issue.

I would be interested in learning more from the contractors who are using Sunday Solutions.

I posted this a few days ago;
http://forums.contractoruk.com/general/39464-sunday-solutions-bradbury-co-2.html?highlight=sunday

I could be barking up the wrong tree, but if contractors are operating via a 'partnership' scheme there might be legal cover already thrown in for these eventualities? Failing this, after searching Sunday Solutions on this forum, there still seems to be a lot of confusion as to whether Sunday Solutions is umbrella company or just a vehicle for helping contractors set up a Ltd?

As i said, I might be totally off track with the 'partnership' idea, but from what I've read on this forum so far, I don't think anyone fully understands Sunday Solutions. Until we do, there is little point in working out the best way to attack this issue.

contractor_v
6th March 2009, 10:36
Raetest - have you taken any action?

Has anyone tried to do anything? Besides calling the reception/call centre

raetest
6th March 2009, 10:59
contractor_v we need to have a chat away from the forum - whats the best way

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Titanic
6th March 2009, 11:33
I'm still on the fence on this. I agree this is incredibly frustrating (what an understatement), and their response so far has been pathetic and done nothing to raise my confidence. I don't think (yet) they are a 'scam' as previously reported on this thread. As far as I know they paid out everyone's tax money last year (they were in business then), because I haven't seen any similar complaints from last year. If this were a 'take the money and run' scam, then it doesn't make sense why they are still acting as a 'going concern'. They still pick up the phone (on very rare occassions, but you do eventually get through). It is frustrating that we are only given one point of contact (Andrew) who seems to be the only one who knows what is going on, and he has been almost impossible to reach. This seems like a genuine cashflow problem they have, probably as a result of incompetence rather than malice.

However, I think incompetence and malice are equally as scary. If it is a cashflow issue, we have no guarantees as to how they are planning to resolve it, what their business plan is to resolve it, or any details of what the problem is. In this market environment, with contractors getting laid off left right and center, any type of cashflow problem for an umbrella company is very scary indeed. The bottom line is that we don't know what the problem is, because Sunday does not tell us what is really going on and what they are doing to resolve it. This obviously arouses all sorts of suspicious and it makes it impossible to trust them. It seems they are deploying very obvious delaying tactics, hoping to resolve whatever issue they've got soon without losing face. I'd be happier if they were up front with us.

This is a public forum, so I think we have to be careful of information we post, since Sunday is undoubtedly monitoring this thread. Obviously some of what I'm writing might be speculation. But it is pathetic that they are even contemplating 'legal consultation' against people in this forum. If anything this speculation is a direct result of their lack of transparency and the way they are treating people now - refusing to answer their calls, telling people that they will take down an 'urgent' message and call them back, only giving them a single point of contact who is never available, etc.

I think everyone affected should get in touch with each other now, with a view to start legal action immediately to recover the tax money. A joint legal suit will carry more weight and have more evidence than an individual approach. Calling their phone lines repeatedly clearly is getting nowhere (and why would it). We should get the legal process going anyways, in parallel. With any luck they can sort out their cashflow issue or whatever issue they've got soon, and we can recover our money before this develops into an expensive and stressful court case.

By the way, earlier in this thread someone posted a message from Sunday saying that Sunday has written to all partners affected saying that they will be compensated. I've received no such assurances in writing (although I've received verbal assurances to the same effect).

Please send me a private message if you have been affected by this issue.

milks
6th March 2009, 13:25
I'm having the same problems. I know two other people in the same boat, so again not a small percentage as claimed, 100% from my experience.

I've spoken to Andrew Nyiri a couple of times and a few other people. When I left a message for Andrew and mentioned I've initiated contact with my solicitors he did finally call me back after a dozen or so broken promises to do so.

I received the following email the other day:


As you will be aware, Bradbury & Co has been appointed as your Partnership Accountants. As part of this, Bradbury is completing the year end accounts for the Partnership, on behalf of the partners.

This process has identified a number of miss postings, relating to partners expenses, the result of which may have a positive impact on Partners tax position.

As you are aware Partners are paid from the profits of the partnership. Profits are then calculated after taking into account all expenses and overhead costs for running the Partnership and these profits are then paid to the partners in accordance with the agreed profit share and are taxable according to HMRC guidelines.

Upon joining the Partnership, partners are provided with a forecast of their individual drawing relating to the profits that take into account the partner expenses, and any changes in partners expenses will affect the taxable profits which can be drawn down by the partner.

Following an internal quality audit, it have been potential miss posting of some expenses and debtors that have not been accounted for correctly.

As a result, we are taking the following actions:

· Where appropriate, HMRC has been contacted to make them aware of a delay due to the above, and agreeing the action to be taken. Please note that HMRC send numerous chase letters during this time of year and we would ask that you send us a copy of any correspondence from HMRC, so that we can deal with this on your behalf. We will of course keep you informed at all times of our own correspondence with HMRC.

· Any debtors or expenses will be correctly accounted for and where appropriate, corresponding accounts and self assessments will be updated and sent to you for your approval.

· You will be aware that the late submission of taxes incurs additional costs levied by HMRC, which are generally in the form of interest on the monies outstanding. On behalf of all partnerships, Bradbury has contacted various partnership service providers including Sunday and they have agreed a reduction in fees to compensate against any additional fees and thus you need not worry about incurring any additional costs while we finalise this excercise.

· When the partners have agreed the accounts and individual tax return, we will advise accordingly on outstanding tax amounts to be paid.

As you will be aware this time of year is extremely busy for the Accounting Practice and we would like to apologise in advance for any problems you may have experienced in getting through to your personal tax adviser. Bradbury has appointed a number of additional accountancy staff to help meet the immediate demand and we will keep you informed of our progress.

We will contact you over the next two weeks to provide you with a further update.

Should you have any questions in the meantime, please do not hesitate to contact us on the email provided.

has anyone else received this? Seems like a blatent delaying tactic in my opinion. I would get my solicitors involved however in the light of this email I'm sure they wouldn't be able to do anything for a while until given sufficient time to reprocess. Something in writing acknowledging responsibility at least

milks
6th March 2009, 13:33
I don't seem to be able to send PMs??

<admin note>Have upgraded your account too</Admin note>

Titanic
6th March 2009, 15:20
I've just realized there's a problem with my account which prevents sending/receiving messages. I'm trying to get it sorted out with the administrator.

<Admin note>It is not a problem. As stated in other threads, and in messages when you sign up, new users do not have enough rights to use the PM system or post without moderation. Use the contact form linked to from the bottom of each page if you want an account upgrade</Admin note>

Titanic
6th March 2009, 15:56
Thanks my account is fully active now.

Could everyone that is affected by this issue please send me a private message? I'll try pinging people individually as well.

Titanic
6th March 2009, 16:45
Hello,

If you are currently owed Tax money by Sunday Solutions I would like to get in touch with you asap. My intentions are:

- To get an idea of the number of people affected.
- To compare stories and try to put a cohesive picture together of what is going on.
- To discuss next steps (legal action).

If you want to participate, please send me an email to tax.matters@me.com. If you are not directly affected but have colleagues who are, please give them this email and tell them to get in touch with me.

I'll attempt to 'vet' people by asking a simple question about their job. This is to prevent a poser from Sunday Solutions joining into our conversation. I hope you are not offended by this and understand the precaution.

Regards,

Titanic

ps. If you have a positive anecdote about Sunday Solutions I would also like to hear from you. I'm keen to hear from anyone who has actually been paid their tax provision by Sunday Solutions for the 07-08 tax year.

contractor_v
6th March 2009, 18:38
I agree, Titanic. I'm also not sure whether or not it's a 'scam' hence said "seems" with regard to the current situation. But whether with malicious intent or not the result could be the same.

simonl1980
9th March 2009, 18:10
I am currently a member of one of Sunday's Partnerships.

I also received a letter from HMRC saying that I had missed a payment deadline, and owed them a not-insignificant amount of money. I immediately phoned Sunday and got through straight away (I guess I am one of the lucky ones). They confirmed that the 07/08 tax payment had been paid on time, but the 1st Payment-On-Account for 08/09 was late, but had actually been paid after I received the HMRC letter, and the small interest charge would be paid by Sunday. All seemed OK.

Today I read this thread, so I have phoned HMRC to check that payment really had been made - and barring the interest charge, it has been.

Hopefully this suggests it was just a mistake rather than anything more sinister, but they do still have a reasonable amount of my money for the next POA so I'm not sure what the next step I should take is.

tommo
17th March 2009, 12:53
Hi new to this forum, why have I just joined? well I'm in the same boat as the rest, have had a tax bill of over £10k from the Inland Revenue, Sunday/Bradbury have pushed out the forementioned correspondance so I await with concern. I have a couple of weeks off so hopefully it gets resolved soon otherwise I will be paying them a visit in person. If anyone wants to discuss it further then PM me.

loadsof money
17th March 2009, 18:23
Hi all,

I have had all the same problems as all of you, I am now taking legal action agaist him/them,

Have any of you had any luck.....?????

Buy the way they have moved from the tramshed and are now at a diffrent address I do Have that address if anyone wants it.

Also after speaking with the taxman to day I have to pay back all the money myself. for me 15k

I would be very interested in speaking to all the people having the same problems as me.

loadsof money
17th March 2009, 18:31
Hi new to this forum, why have I just joined? well I'm in the same boat as the rest, have had a tax bill of over £10k from the Inland Revenue, Sunday/Bradbury have pushed out the forementioned correspondance so I await with concern. I have a couple of weeks off so hopefully it gets resolved soon otherwise I will be paying them a visit in person. If anyone wants to discuss it further then PM me.

Im the same mate how can I contact you

loadsof money
17th March 2009, 18:51
http://www.ukdata.com/numbers/03076671.html

I just googled the Company number

k8594
18th March 2009, 14:32
I would like to be able to send private messages so that I can correspond with others having issues with Sunday. Can an administrator please make this possible for me?

Thanks.

<mod note>done, you can now use the PM system</mod note>

awaythelads
18th March 2009, 15:46
I would like to be able to send private messages so that I can correspond with others having issues with Sunday. Can an administrator please make this possible for me?

Thanks.

<mod note>done, you can now use the PM system</mod note>

I also would like the ability to send a PM on this topic as I am also concerned about Sunday.

Administrator - can you please also make this possible for me.

Thanks.

<mod note>done</mod note>

TOXIC
18th March 2009, 21:00
I'm yet another casualty of Sunday Solutions and Bradbury and Co saga. Tax not paid. Final demand come and gone. Tax office say they have heard nothing from Bradbury since December 2008.

safcmike
20th March 2009, 10:58
Hello all, first post on here.

I was with Sunday Solutions, in fact I was one of their earliest adopters.

My experience of them is not so much that they are operating a scam but that they simply cannot cope with the level of business they are trying to administer.

My tax bills were late several times but each time Sunday coughed up for any fine. The big issue was their retention rate, which I asked to be reviewed many times. They never did and at each tax bill I was always short by a considerable ammount, and I even found that they had been using current tax year provision to pay last years owed ammount thereby compounding the problem with each passing tax year. They did refund me a substantial part of their fees to cover some of the shortfall but you do not expect to pay their astronomical fees then have to worry about paying your tax every 6 months.

Eventually I got so frustrated with them that I resigned from the partnership last November. To their credit I was refunded all of my retained funds and Bradbury did submit my tax return in January on time after my prompting them. I have had to take on the backlog of tax owed myself and it will take me most of this year to get back on an even keel.

By the sounds of it I got out just in time before they went into meltdown and would advise any contractors considering using their services to think very carefully.

I would suggest that anyone having problems with Sunday should try contacting M*rk L*wis the Managing Director. I always found him available and ready to talk....most of the time !!

Good luck to those of you having these problems and I hope you manage to get it sorted soon.

biggles_1
24th March 2009, 11:32
I have also had the same problem.

I left the partnership last December but my 1st payment due on Jan 31st was not paid and although I signed all the necessary paperwork on leaving my retention money for the second payment has still not been returned to me.

I have also spoken with andy and been given the "It'll be a couple of days ... Let me look into it" response.

I am now rather worried as the total monies held comes to around 20k. I hope they get it sorted quickly as I want my money back in my hands even if I have to deal with it myself from then on!

J.

I'm just glad I have since seen sense and gone Ltd ... but I can't afford to take a 20k hit for this!

biggles_1
25th March 2009, 09:29
I guess everyone else has got theirs sorted then have they?

Hopefully mine will be too. Mine is urgent for my own reasons now so hopefully it isn't going to continue to be a problem.

Did anyone else get this resolved?

TOXIC
26th March 2009, 16:48
Nothing resolved yet....anyone else got anywhere?

Sigixxer
31st March 2009, 06:19
Hi,

Shame this is the 1st post that I have to make -

I have received the same dreaded letter from the tax man demanding 24K and payable immediatly

Has anyone got anyware with this / had this paid or been refunded all the money they kept for us

I also seem to recall some kind of insurance against wrongful accounting - anyone alse recall this?

concerned!!!!

Simonal
6th April 2009, 12:10
No I am still waiting.

I was promised an amount of money in my account today and nothing has materialised so yet again I have been let down by both Sunday Solutions and also Bradbury and Co.

I was contacted by a consultant who has been employed to resolve the issue and was promised that this money would be in my account today but as yet there is nothing and supprise supprise the people I need to talk to are out of the office and so will have to get back to me.

My outstanding amount is around also quite large so if I can PM then I am happy to keep people updated on my situation.

Thanks

ribble
12th May 2009, 12:24
Did everybody get their issues resolved in the end?

willski
18th May 2009, 09:20
Hi all..

Has there been a resolution to this.. I'm still waiting for bradbury/ sunday to pay my tax.
Thanks

tommo
18th May 2009, 12:39
Just to give you an update and hopefully put a few minds at rest, my tax bill was paid by Bradbury last week. For those still with tax issues, just keep in constant contact with them, they are working on trying to resolve everyone's case on an individual basis (I believe this is where the delay is coming from).

natalie.seltzer
18th May 2009, 15:07
They're not responding to my communications any more, even registered letters are getting no response...
http://reframeit.com/comments/2HMhrIvhH2I
http://reframeit.com/comments/FtYC24OJjUo

Troll
18th May 2009, 15:15
How suspicious should one be, that lots of noobs with low poll counts resurrect this thread and then start posting about how everything is now OK?

willski
18th May 2009, 15:21
Just to give you an update and hopefully put a few minds at rest, my tax bill was paid by Bradbury last week. For those still with tax issues, just keep in constant contact with them, they are working on trying to resolve everyone's case on an individual basis (I believe this is where the delay is coming from).


Good to hear this I guess, although mine remains unpaid.

What is with the idea of NOT paying the partners tax liability while they readdress their expenses and in turn tax liability, while in the process being charged fines and interest which Bradbury and co are liable for. Not great business sense, surely tax could be paid up front and adjusted later ..? :confused:

BrilloPad
18th May 2009, 17:28
How suspicious should one be, that lots of noobs with low poll counts resurrect this thread and then start posting about how everything is now OK?

Even worse : that anyone whose tax is not paid has not been keeping in touch.....

vlc
19th May 2009, 13:42
Open Question: How much, as a percentage, did they retain from your gross income to cover the tax? Should there be enough to cover your tax bill? As far as I can tell there was more than enough retained but they are claiming a shortfall of about 20K... and saying that this error applies to several other partners.

mudders
20th May 2009, 17:11
I have the same problem. Final demands from HMRC, debt collectors being threatened. I'm being charged for this and Bradbury are making interest themselves.

They promise to return my call but never do. I'm very close to heading on down to the tramshed myself.

Has anyone set up anything external from this website for this so all people affected can talk to each other? By the look of it many many people are affected.

redarko
20th May 2009, 20:04
I'm on the same ship here.

I keep calling them and the feeling is that they not really know if they will be able to pay. I'm worried if they will go bust one day.

I think we should keep in touch and do together any legal action if we have to.

Has anyone already tried to write here as well? http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/ They helped me in the past.

bakerv3
11th June 2009, 15:11
Hi all..

Has there been a resolution to this.. I'm still waiting for bradbury/ sunday to pay my tax.

Thanks

Hi, They've actually done my 07/08 return now and paid the tax! I just want them to hurry up and do my 08/09 period now.
I'm now with Von Essen and I've recently had a few big hiccups with them, but will reserve judgement for now as I'm waiting for them to make things right.

AnMagasMor
1st July 2009, 10:40
Hi Guys,
New poster here but same old story. HMRC threateninig bailiffs, confiscation, auctioning.

Bradburys Finance Director (Andrew Nyiri) is on "sick leave" and getting the run around from Sunday AND Bradburys.

I will post if I find any leverage that gets me a result but on a more serious note, would anybody else be willing to participate in a class action suit against them? Msg me or post please.

biggles_1
6th July 2009, 09:02
They have now paid my initial tax liability but not the late payment charges and interest which is only about £300 but it is the principal that gets to me!

They also have about £22k of my retained money for 2008/2009 year which, as I left the partnership in December last year and have been asking for ever since, I am quite worried about.

I'm up for joining any group that will help get this resolved and would like to go the solicitor route myself to be honest.

J.

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biggles_1
6th July 2009, 09:44
I've just got through to the front desk at the Tramshed who say that they are no longer at that office and left a little while ago.

Strange as they still use it as the address on the footers etc.

This is seeming more and more suspicious to me now and I am getting very worried!

redarko
9th July 2009, 15:31
Guys, they're just trying to buy as much time as possible...

All the people I'm in contact with have gone through the same people in B&Co that told them the same story... how many of you now are supposed to deal with a new guy called An**** Mc***re?

I've really got a bad feeling about this and I'm up going through legal actions, but first thing I reckon we should get together in a skype conference chat or similar.

Some of you have not the account enabled to receive private messages, please send an email to this forum administrator to have it so and then send me a private message so I will try to organize a time where we can speak together.

tech14
9th July 2009, 16:38
Yes in exactly the same boat as others and the same person mentioned above is now suppose to be dealing with the payment

Again up for going the legal action route.

I have had the 07/08 payment paid in May granted rather late. The 1st payment of 08/09 I have had to pay and now getting near to the July 31st payment date. I don’t want to end up paying fines on this either.

Will get PM rights set up and then contact you redarko

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Benni2000
9th July 2009, 18:34
The joke that is Sunday Solutions and Bradbury & Co.

Its interesting to read all these stories as I am also going through the same problems. Bradbury & Co have happily retained my money on a monthly basis and are now not paying my 07/08 tax bill. I had to pay the HMRC directly as had debt collectors at my door. I've had my case passed to 4 different people all of which ring me once, then never return my calls or emails. I have now left Sunday Solutions and set up my own limited company becuse the risk of not having access to your tax retention is too much. However, I am also struggling to get my 08/09 fees refunded, and once again get no call backs. And my 07/08 bill is still not paid!

I've been in discussion with a tax solicitor about this situation and we've starting legal proceedings against them. I'm giving them 30 days to return all my money or we're going to court. Although going to court is obviously a more expensive option, I am quite looking forward to bringing a bit of justice against these cowboys.

Make sure you keep all your records of those invoice slips (detailing how much they are retaining - becuase when I asked them how much they thought it should be: they were 10k out!!!!)

As for Sunday Solutions, they have dissolved all responsibility and its "a matter between you and Bradbury" - thats great value for money as I have paid them thousands to actually do nothing. I have now set up a LTD company with an agency that more than 6 times cheaper and offer a much better service. But looking around, I couldn't actually find another company that charges more than Sunday.

For anyone new to contracting, or looking to join Sunday Solutions, my advice is stay well clear. You need to be set up in a way where you have access to all the funds you earn (or make sure the company that holds your money is a charted accountant) as with Sunday Solutions you are 100% liable for the tax owed, but have 0% access to the funds you need to pay it!! The HMRC do not care you are having problems with your accountants, they want their money and its your name at the top of the bill. Also Bradbury & Co are NOT charted accountants, so there's no leverage with any accounting institutions. When I asked them about this, the guy actually laughed.

The biggest joke of all was when they told me that my 07/08 bill had been paid.........to which my reply was "yes, by me". Did they really think that I would forget that I forked out from my own pocket, and they could just keep the money retained for themselves.....it was laugh or cry time!!!

Tech 58
10th July 2009, 11:09
Everyone involved in this Sunday/Bradbury fiasco should be very aware.

I would recommend the following actions for those involved:

Report both parties to:

-Trading Standards
-Watch Dog
- Get legal advice sooner rather than later & or small claims court

These guys are holding serious amounts of money and there no where to be seen......... if there be seen at all.

TAKE ACTION NOW........

Benni2000
10th July 2009, 11:20
I've already started a separate legal action (and paid for costs) so will stick with that.

I'll post some updates on here when (if) I get anwhere, and likewise it will be interesting to see how you get on.

Good luck!!

redarko
10th July 2009, 14:01
Yes Benni, let us know how it goes and we'll do the same.

Drop me a private message if you would like to keep in touch

Benni2000
10th July 2009, 14:26
How do you send a private message? I had a look on your profile but couldn't see an option.

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wenger14
10th July 2009, 19:17
hi
new to the board, but have been following this thread with interest. I was with Sunday solutions until things started to go belly up (was concerned at some of the changes they put in place when they became reed umberella) so set up a ltd company. it took them 6 weeks and various emails to send through a P45, in the meanwhile I've been trying to get Bradbury & co to confirm that my tax is all paid and to get a set of partnership accounts off them for 07/08, as they decided to resubmit my self asssesment form as they claimed that "on review of my expenses, the intial deductions were incorrect". this was in April, since then no accounts, no confirmation of payment and nothing from HMRC, as they were my supposed accountants I assumed (wrongly I now realise) that they would have all this info to hand and would pass it onto me. Several emails later no info or confirmation. The only responses I have had have been to the 'chase up' emails I sent; 1st one claims that the department concerned were moving office but someone would be in touch by the end of the week (last friday), come monday no response. Sent a final email to them on Monday giving them till today to provide all the requested info, by last night had heard nothing, so sent a chase again, got another response saying my request had been passed to the correct department and marked urgent, still no response.

They really have no idea what they are doing:mad

excuse my spelling and grammer, but they have really wound me up:mad: :tantrum:

redarko
11th July 2009, 08:28
wenger,

you are not alone... it's already four of us here and I guess other, unfortunately, are coming.

Your story is really similar to mine so I would like to talk further with you about this and how we can get our money back

Please ask the administrator to have the private messages enabled so I can drop you a pm.

wenger14
12th July 2009, 12:00
would say it's good to know I am not alone, but it's a terrible thing they are doing :wink

Hi mr administrator, could you set me up to recieve and send PM's?

cheers

<admin note>You now have PM access</admin note>

redarko
14th July 2009, 15:38
Benni2000 are you still reading this?


I know that probably this story is really stressful and it's hard to keep talking about but I would like to ask you a couple of things about your lawyer if you have got few minutes.

dont give up
20th July 2009, 14:22
PLEASE to everyone reading this DO NOT TRUST either Sunday solutions OR Bradbury and Company. I used SS for a number of years then suddenly found that I was being harrassed by the tax office as Bradbury and Co have not paid ANY of my tax bills, the result is that bradbury sunday are now not returning calls or answering emails ( most of their people have left and their email syntax is being disconnected.

I called a lawyer who suggested if we all got together as a group we would have more of a chance of getting back our retained money.

Happy to give out my personal details.

What does everyone else think?

dont give up
20th July 2009, 14:37
DO NOT USE THEM as they are holding onto to everyones tax retention money and not paying out to HMRC

HMRC dont care as they feel it is your responsibility to sort out your tax affairs.


Bradbury and sunday are owned by one person, the current person in charge is a Carl Wootten who of course does not take phone calls or has a valid email address. if you are affected consult a solicitor immediately or go see them in person

Contractor UK
21st July 2009, 12:57
"Von Essen Group wish to make it clear that there is no association between them and Sunday Solutions. As a result of our recent expansion into the UK a small number of Von Essen's consultant workforce were previously clients of Sunday Solutions. Where appropriate, Von Essen is assisting its Consultants who are affected by their previous association with Sunday."

timtom
21st July 2009, 16:07
I have contacted the tramshed and apparently neither sunday/bradbury are there anymore.

From what i can make out that Sunday have relocated to office above the KFC in bath.... sorry no exact address on this.

Bradbury still have meetings at the following address:

BRADBURY & CO LIMITED
6 Bath Road
Keynsham
BRISTOL
BS31 1NW

I think its time i went to bath/keynsham. It is clear they will not speak to anyone and not only are they being incredibly rude but are holding lots of our money.

Who's in

dont give up
21st July 2009, 23:05
ANDREW JOHN NYIRI assuming this is the director of both Sunday and Bradbury personal details can be received from creditgate.com as a way of ensuring possible legal action

Contact press local and international

Keep all communications received

Make contact with all of those affected to enable us to bond together via our private inboxes here

dont give up
24th July 2009, 10:37
We should all make an effort to make contact with each other. I think this would make us stronger if we try and pursue them through the courts and raise a class action, what does everyone else involved think?

We have to be pragmatic and realise we will probably never see any of our money again

Without prejudice

biggles_1
28th July 2009, 12:29
Has anyone actually appointed a solicitor already on this?

Have they made any progress?

I have been e-mailing and calling for months now and have had very little in the way of replies. Most of the responses have appeared to be an attempt to buy more time.

I was told that a payment should have been made to HMRC last Friday for me but they haven't sent any evidence of this yet. I left my partnership last year and have been waiting for the remaining retained tax money ever since so it has been a fair sum for quite a long time now!

Has anyone had any progress or evidence of these being paid as I don't think the tax office will register this until the end of the week?

I am happy to speak to a solicitor about this to join with others if anyone has appointed one that can act for all of us.

J.

Dr Who
29th July 2009, 12:12
Have Bradbury reduced any of your payments on account without you knowing? They have with me - finally got through to Bradbury last week and was told that Derek Taylor was sorting it out. Heard nothing since! no surprise. :mad

Contr8ctor
30th July 2009, 11:40
I thought I was on my own but looks like there are a lot of us in the same situation unfortunately. Bradbury still haven't paid my tax for the 07/08 year and HMRC are after me too.

I have now left the UK and returned to Australia so it is even harder to try to communicate with Bradbury.

I too would be keen to hear if there is a group action being formed or if anyone has a name of a UK legal firm that can help me it would be appreciated.

cojak
30th July 2009, 14:22
"Von Essen Group wish to make it clear that there is no association between them and Sunday Solutions. As a result of our recent expansion into the UK a small number of Von Essen's consultant workforce were previously clients of Sunday Solutions. Where appropriate, Von Essen is assisting its Consultants who are affected by their previous association with Sunday."

Advice is still the same though....

dont give up
31st July 2009, 18:50
Can EVERYONE affected ensure that we all have access to private messages on this forum this way we can all ensure we can link up as collectivley it will be easier to take action.

We can add everyone to the group that has already started to band together.
In the interim I think we should keep posting messages to make everyone aware of the situation and to stop them taking on new contractors as they are still trading albeit now from a home address.

We all know the different guises they have masqueraded as Sunday solutions, Willowmeade, Bradbury and now the new Switzerland one we are not allowed to name for libel reasons....................

Can anyone link a thread to their Bradbury website?
Without prejudice

BrilloPad
31st July 2009, 21:46
Can EVERYONE affected ensure that we all have access to private messages on this forum this way we can all ensure we can link up as collectivley it will be easier to take action.

We can add everyone to the group that has already started to band together.
In the interim I think we should keep posting messages to make everyone aware of the situation and to stop them taking on new contractors as they are still trading albeit now from a home address.

We all know the different guises they have masqueraded as Sunday solutions, Willowmeade, Bradbury and now the new Switzerland one we are not allowed to name for libel reasons....................

Can anyone link a thread to their Bradbury website?
Without prejudice

So now we get a load of sockpuppets pretending to have an issue with Sunday solutions so they get unmoderated faster. :suicide:

SteveMcadden1
31st July 2009, 22:55
So now we get a load of sockpuppets pretending to have an issue with Sunday solutions so they get unmoderated faster. :suicide:

Seriously you are a LOSER

blacjac
31st July 2009, 23:30
So now we get a load of sockpuppets pretending to have an issue with Sunday solutions so they get unmoderated faster. :suicide:

The thought had never crossed my mind, you big cynic you.

:eyes

BrilloPad
1st August 2009, 07:48
Seriously you are a LOSER

Seriously you are a sockpuppet. Now we just have to work out who you belong too.

redarko
1st August 2009, 14:24
Please guys, this thread is very important to us.
We have a lot of money, time and energies involved in this. Can you please discuss somewhere else about who's the sockpuppet?


Yes, my advice is the same, please send me a pm (you must be authorized by the administrator).


We are a big group now (REALLY THANKS TO THIS BOARD) and I've spoken with some of you already.


They told us a lot of lies, I don't know who's this new entry Taylor, but I guess I will start to don't answer your call soon.


I don't want to post my mail address here, so really, the best way is go through a pm.

centurian
1st August 2009, 15:10
Just come into this thread late, but it sounds scandalous.

What kind of scheme were SS doing. Their website seems like a bog standard umbrella, so why were they holding onto tax money - or was this a different scheme that they used to operate.

I hate to be the one to talk about the elephant in the room, but it sounds like they are trying to keep their pyramid from collapsing and there is a distinct possibility that your money is simply gone.

Really, really, really hope that's not the case and best of luck from all of us.

Go get 'em...

SteveMcadden1
1st August 2009, 16:07
Just come into this thread late, but it sounds scandalous.

What kind of scheme were SS doing. Their website seems like a bog standard umbrella, so why were they holding onto tax money - or was this a different scheme that they used to operate.

I hate to be the one to talk about the elephant in the room, but it sounds like they are trying to keep their pyramid from collapsing and there is a distinct possibility that your money is simply gone.

Really, really, really hope that's not the case and best of luck from all of us.

Go get 'em...

I also think this is scandalous...

Can someone actually summarise what Sunday Solutions have done? They have taken your tax money and not forwarded it on?

What was the benefit to you of giving them the money? My accountant prepares the figures and I write a cheque to HMRC myself using the company chequebook. Nobody else can sign that book

What happened here?

KerryJ
1st August 2009, 18:08
I am also affected by the Sundays/Bradbury debacle. I worked through them for some of 07/08 and 08/09. they have still not paid all my 07/08 tax to HMRC so I have had to pay personally. And the money they withheld for 08/09 is not being released to me even though I have resigned from the partnership. they don't answer the phones or emails. I am not sure what to do next to get my money.
I am not sure if anyone else out there is in 'my' partnership? Fougere Viljoen.
All contractors are placed into partnerships. Sundays/bradburys are the partnership administrators which is why they hold onto the tax money.
I think that Andrew Nyiri the director has left the country (supposedly ill?)...
If there is a group legal action starting I would like to join but don't want to release my details to this public forum.
Is there a way to communicate with the 'group' affected in a more private way?
I am hoping that since the money should have been held in partnership bank accounts that somehow it is safe. But I am losing hope a bit.. :(

olu_m
2nd August 2009, 15:56
Please guys, this thread is very important to us.
We have a lot of money, time and energies involved in this. Can you please discuss somewhere else about who's the sockpuppet?


Yes, my advice is the same, please send me a pm (you must be authorized by the administrator).


We are a big group now (REALLY THANKS TO THIS BOARD) and I've spoken with some of you already.


They told us a lot of lies, I don't know who's this new entry Taylor, but I guess I will start to don't answer your call soon.


I don't want to post my mail address here, so really, the best way is go through a pm.

I am new to this portal, therefore, I do not have the priviledge to pm. Please let me know how I can.

It was not until mid last week I realised how serious this sunday solutions/bradbury issue is. Like most on this thread, I have my 07/08 tax funds with bradbury, and despite many promises to get it paid off, nothing was done.

It all came to a head, last monday when I got a call from HRMC about my outstanding taxes, and could not get Bradbury and Sunday Solutions on the phone. To confirm, I googled. Only to realise that my situation is not unique and that these people may have indeed absconded.

I will really want to join the group .

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justice1
3rd August 2009, 11:57
Dear all who have been affected by Bradbury and Co and Sunday Solutions not cooperating with communications and requests to pay the Inland Revenue the large amounts of yor money that they hold. I contracted via Sunday Solutions last year, and now wish to take legal action against them and Bradbury and Co since my communications to both companies have been unanswered for the last 6 months. About 15-20K is at stake for me.

Please send me an e-mail (I have set up a new account which I assume will let me receive e-mails from this forum), and we shall pursue this through the courts. Watchdog and Trading Standards are also good avenues to pursue.

Regards,

Justice1

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dont give up
3rd August 2009, 22:25
This is a big problem on a grand scale re Bradbury and Sunday.

I can see why your user name is BRILLO PAD only fluff between the ears, if you have nothing interesting to say then say nothing... Do you think you can do this??

To the others who have a genuine problem please send private mails to some of the posts and we can link you in to the other who have formed a group.

FMPM
4th August 2009, 09:43
I'm afraid I am also affected by this sorry situation :(

I contacted Trading Standards to log a case and they encourage everyone to do the same.

I would like to add myself to the group attempting to tackle this.

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Contr8ctor
4th August 2009, 10:48
I am also caught by Bradbury and would like to join/contact the group to see what our options are.

Can I have PM enabled please?

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Keanu2009
4th August 2009, 19:32
On the 17th of last month, a lady by name Stephanie Pearce called me & said everything had been finalized and the payment that was due in January would be made in 2 weeks time. I also e-mailed Andrew Mcintyre & he confirmed that the July payment would be made quite soon as well. 2 weeks gone & there has been no progress whatsoever - both Bradbury & Sunday Solutions have stopped taking calls & Andrew Mcintyre ,who was supposed to sort this out, has disappeared as well.

In the meanwhile, since HMRC had been chasing me for the payments, to get them off my back , I have just made the payment from my personal account.

I don't think getting our money back from these fraudsters is going to be easy. To begin with, I am thinking of lodging a police complaint against Sunday Solutions/Bradbury.

Administrator, can you please enable PM for this account. Thanks.

ribble
5th August 2009, 15:38
If this is the case why have I got correspondence from Sunday Solutions on Von Essen branded stationary dated back in August 2008?


[Post reinstated by CUK. Evidence supplied.]

Von Essen have confirmed in a statement to CUK that dual branded documentation was used purely as a marketing exercise when using Sunday Solutions as a means of introduction to selected UK consultants while growing Von Essen's UK business. Von Essen have approached many other UK consultants via various introducers and therefore confirm that the stationery in this case does not therefore signify an association with Sunday Solutions beyond using them as 'introducer' in this manner.

upsetwithsunday
5th August 2009, 19:41
I used Sunday during a short contract during 2008/2009.

I'm trying to complete tax return for that year and as nobody at Sunday is answering the phone I thought I'd search this forum.

I'm quite shocked and worried about what I've been reading here.

Please can other also affected by this apparent fraud by Sunday Solutions let me know what they're doing about their tax returns / liabilities and how to join any possible legal action?

Many thanks

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ajcj
6th August 2009, 07:53
I joined Sunday Solutions last august and i resigned from the "partnership" in april to go ltd as i wanted more control over my money.Since then i've been trying to get my retained funds back from them.
Phoning them has now become a waste of time as nobody answers.i've had the occasional e mail from them reassuring me that all is ok,but everything is obviously not ok as no time scale has been given as to when the retained funds will be returned.
Looking at this thread there is a real problem here and i would like to communicate with others about this situation and therefore i would like to be added to the group here to discuss ideas as we attempt to solve this mess.

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Keanu2009
6th August 2009, 08:33
Dear Adminstrator,

Could you enable PM for this account please?

Thanks

<admin note>Done!</admin note>

PRINGH
6th August 2009, 09:42
HI,

Just found your forum after i googled Andrew Nyiri's name!

A month ago i was 2 days away from the bailiffs removing goods from my house until HMRC got onto Bradbury and they eventually paid my tax bill but they are still holding £2000 of my money from my 07/08 tax return.

There is a small group of us in our office who have are all in the same boat. All ringing them and getting no where. I did have Stef's mobile number but even that is now switched off! We are based in Bath which is where bradbury where based but they have now moved offices to Bristol but no one knows where!

We are now at the point of seeking Legal advise. But after reading post will also register comlpaint with Trading Standards.

Any other advise on what to do would be great!

Thanks

dont give up
6th August 2009, 22:38
can you ask for private messages to be enabled



HI,

Just found your forum after i googled Andrew Nyiri's name!

A month ago i was 2 days away from the bailiffs removing goods from my house until HMRC got onto Bradbury and they eventually paid my tax bill but they are still holding £2000 of my money from my 07/08 tax return.

There is a small group of us in our office who have are all in the same boat. All ringing them and getting no where. I did have Stef's mobile number but even that is now switched off! We are based in Bath which is where bradbury where based but they have now moved offices to Bristol but no one knows where!

We are now at the point of seeking Legal advise. But after reading post will also register comlpaint with Trading Standards.

Any other advise on what to do would be great!

Thanks

oceanblue
10th August 2009, 17:23
hi there

I am messaging as i am concerned with my situation.
My situation is slightly different but about the same company. My january 2007/2008 tax return was filled in and paid. I received a statement saying that i had money left over to pay july and some spare. I was advised to wait until after the July payment and then get the excess back.
Now i have contacted them, but all i get is an answerphone and no reply to any of my emails. I have contacted sunday solutions and am waiting a reply.
I am worried they have dissapeared, and then when i read this i am even more concerned i wont get my money back.

is there a group i can join?

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Goost
11th August 2009, 15:07
I was signed up with Sunday solns and told that Bradbury and Co will pay my tax.
After months of trying to chase up my money and miserably failing and now with the HMRC on my back I am very worried and do not know what to do now?

I keep calling Bradbury and Co, and I even have a number for Andrew McIntyre however as you all know, no one answers. They paid off 2/3 of my tax return for 07/08, however the other third is still outstanding. I am thinking to go to the citizens advice bureau.
Has anyone already done this?

I am new to this forum only joined today so I do not know how or who to contact about any legal advice or if you have already set up a group to take legal action.
I would be grateful if someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks!

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get_sun
11th August 2009, 16:28
Hi !

I am also sailing in the same boat and my part of monthly money is also withheld for the tax purposes, my current year return for year 08-09 has not been submitted. They have agreed to submit the return but they say they would pay the tax before deadline in January'2010.

What options do i have now ?
Pls could anybody suggest any solution?
or legal action is the only way out?

get_sun
12th August 2009, 06:51
Hi !

I feel like i am "no where" now...after reading this forum,it seems i am sailing in the same boat.
I am a partner in one of their partnership firm and they have withheld the part of the monthly payment every month for tax purpose. And now when i am asking them to pay the tax with the tax return, they have come up with the fact that they have not reached the deadline to pay the tax which happens to fall in January'2010.So i suppose my story is also going to end up in the way shared here in the forum by some of the victims.

It is just that i got to know it in advance . Could anybody suggest me way out, if there is any .
Should i resign from the partneship and ask for the withheld funds?
I would like the group for initiating legal action.


p.s. Administrator, Can i have PM enabled please?

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oceanblue
12th August 2009, 10:49
I have been trying to contact bradbury for the past week. No response to emails and now their phone says that their phone lines are busy, leave a message. You cant leave a message as their mailbox is full!

This aint looking good.!!

Anyone got anywhere with sunday solutions themselves? They are now called reed solutions in the centre of bristol.

cheesed off
12th August 2009, 12:39
All

I'm having the same problem as everyone here!

Everyone needs to compain about Bradbury & Co to Trading Standards, the more calls Trading Standards recieve the more weight is added to the case.

The more investigation I do and the less they respond I am sure they will continue to breach many more acts....

If I do not hear from them by the end of today I'll will be taking further action!!!!

Goost
12th August 2009, 15:13
I tried calling Andrew McIntyre on his mobile and he has changed his vmail to say he's out of office Tues and Wed, he will be back on Thurs and contactable then. "Please leave a message and I will get back to you."

Over the weeks I have left him numerous messages and he's never called back.

I also called Sunday Solutions and left a message, I hope someone calls me back but I doubt they will.

What should I do next?
Pay off my outstanding amount from my own funds to the HMRC?
Contact trading standards?
Citizens advice bureau?

I'm so lost. And angry!

oceanblue
12th August 2009, 18:46
rang sunday solutions today.
They said they would talk to Bradbury about my july payment and get back to me....

I wait to find out what happens. Need to talk to HMRC to see if july payment has been made....

I need the details of this group though for legal action to see what is going on. anyone got the details?

cheesed off
12th August 2009, 19:29
Yep, Oceanblue I'm the same as you.

I spoke with Sunday today too, no joy there. They were sorry about the situation but they are having problems with getting hold of Bradbury (or so they say).

We need to get a bit more weight behind the situation so yes I'll join any legal group too....

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Benni2000
12th August 2009, 20:21
Apologies to those that have private messaged me and I've not responded, had quite a few, so thought it was about time I gave an update on my case.

There were no responses from my solicitors letters until they final threat of court proceedings. As expected bradbury have denied responsibility for the following reason-they do not hold the money, it is classed as a seperate company account in the name of the partnership I am/was a member. Although there are documents to say Bradbury will arrange for the tax to be paid from the partnership account, there's nothing in the partnership contract to hold them against this. However, what I've learnt is that there is a partnership administrator detialed in 'schedule 2' and this is the person who has access to my partnership bank account and can release funds.

Bradbury claim they are only the accountants and hold no money, which makes sense in a way,although I'm not happy that they have no idea who the administrator is, because who do they advise to release funds??

If anyone has their schedule 2 then that is the person you should be chasing, and if you do have a schedule 2 I'd be interested to know who the administrator is as I never recieved on! Currently chasing. I suspect Sunday are the administrators, it needs further investigating.

Hope that's useful and I'll update when possible

oceanblue
13th August 2009, 13:15
I am still waiting on a response from Sunday solutions, but i rang there number today and it has a recorded message on now that says the offices are closed....!!!

I then rang HMRC to discuss my statement of self assessment. This details what was paid, when and what is due for the rest of 07/08 and expected for 08/09

I found out that bradbury paid my 07/08 rax return 2 months late!
They paid to much, which is a good thing i guess, but then reduced my expected payment next year to 08/09 to less than 25% of 07/08's payment.
Thats just doesnt add up. I work just as much during 08/09. Something aint right!

We all need to use 1 solicitor. Anyone got a good 1 they have used against sunday and bradbury?

BlackIce
13th August 2009, 14:51
Hi there,

Good old google brought me here from a search of "sunday problems". This is my experience with them.

I did 2 weeks work through the Sunday solution in 2008 and although there were mistakes with my tax return it was resolved by Bradbury finally a couple of months back.

Prior to this, Bradbury informed me that they had an over retention due to me and for the last few months I've been trying to get this returned. After many emails to various people from Bradbury, they informed me this was not their responsibility but that of Sundays.

During my attempts to resolve this, I referred back to a cold call and follow up mail from Vonessen Consulting. I recalled he said that they had taken on some of the Sunday business. I tried to contact him with no joy.

After further calls and emails which bounced, I spoke to two people from Sunday; who assured me this was going to be dealt with. Nothing ever happened and now the Sunday website appears to be offline!

Tried to contact Bradbury and just get voice mail which is full so I'm unable to leave a message. So does anyone have any ideas what's going on? Or perhaps a way forward?

ribble
13th August 2009, 15:27
Hi,

We have setup a group to tackle the issue of Sunday Solutions/Bradbury etc and are considering group legal action. Currently there is about 15 of us and the more people we can get involved the better. To aid this we have setup a private wiki, and we are vetting any people who want to join us to make sure everybody is who they say they are.

If you want to get involved then drop a mail over to sundaybradbury@yahoo.co.uk with some info about yourself and explaining the situation you are in.

The info other people have sent is as follows:

· Contact details - please include skype as this is a good method to allow other to talk as a group and is free
· What Partnership you were in.
· Something to confirm the link to the partnership /Sunday - Some have sent a copy of the partnership contract
· Something outside of Sunday/the partnership - some have sent a CV but a little about yourself and what you do will be enough.
· Any online presence if applicable - some have websites etc.

Cheers,

Dan

losing the will to live
14th August 2009, 19:49
Hi all,

I'm still waiting to hear exactly what the state of play is regarding my tax and student loan liability - I will of course keep you posted but this is deeply disturbing and the effects of which have far wider implications for me personally.

Would be grateful if the Administrator could add PM please

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Gasman
15th August 2009, 21:01
Hi, found this thread through Google and have emailed to the yahoo address.

I do not appear to be in as deep as some people. Bradbury paid part of my tax liability for 2007-2996, but they have about £2000 of my money still owed to me.

May I have PM privileges please in case I need to be contacted here.?

TIA

Stainton
18th August 2009, 12:03
Hi my partner is in the same situation and having only recently been notified of the problems people are experiencing with Bradbury, I did a bit of digging around myself and have hit similar brick walls as others on this forum. My partner spoke with HMRC today and was told the bad news that Bradbury hadn't filed any tax forms on his behalf during all the 9 months he was with them (thankfully fate made him decide to change accountants several months ago when he became a Ltd Co.) and so could be liable to pay a large sum of money. I am in contact with others who have set up a group to try to obtain the money and wonder if you could join (if you are not already) this group as HMRC did suggest the more people to contact them about Bradbury, the more seriously they will take the complaint and deal with us as a whole, rather than individuals, if they deem there is a legitimate case to answer. I have just found the original Partnership Agreement (ours' was with Macpherson Mccabe) and it lists several other contractors with whom my partner was supposedly in partnership with. We would like to find out if these 7 other people are in the same boat and need a secure way of discussing matters further. Regarding the Schedule 2 I cannot see anything that relates to that so far.

Can I have PM privileges please. Thanks

p.fang
19th August 2009, 09:03
Hi All. I used to be with Sunday Solutions as well, now I am with Von Essen. I would like to ask you, if it would make sense for me to join the group if I only was with them since May 2008 and my self assesment should reach HMRC only in October 2009 (or Jan 2010 in case they submit that online) and then payments of 2008/2009 tax should be made till up to 2010 July, I think. So there is nothing I can file against Bradbury yet... What would you suggest me to do, please?
Thank you! Peter.

oceanblue
20th August 2009, 22:20
I contacted citizens advice last week. They think this could be a case of fraud. The recommend i contact the police and create a case with them. Once i have done this they recommend i go back and see citizens advice to see where to go from here.
I am currently looking through my paperwork to find my partnership details

Don_G
21st August 2009, 08:31
I too am tied up in this mess

Note to Admin please could i get PM right so i can join the action group - i am a bit lost about what to do.

I phoned the Tramshed front desk to ask about Brabury but the receptionist informed me that they moved out 2 month ago.

I spoke with Bradbury yesyerday an was told all is well and there are still operating out of the Tramshed address - very worrying.


regards

Don_G

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Goost
21st August 2009, 13:05
OMG!!!
Based on the last message I called Bradbury today. Afterweeks of hearing the answer message a female answered! At least they've not turned the phones off completely.

I asked to speak to someone in particular, she mentioned she didn't know that person and it could be as they have two offices and that I had got through to the "overflow office." HMM.

In addition I was told I could not talk to the accountants today as they are rather busy (doing what exactly?) and she'll get one of them to call me back.

Just thought i'd give you an update, however small it is. Should I receive a call back (I won't hold my breath) I will let you know how I get on.

I really hope something is getting sorted out!!!!!!!!!

oceanblue
22nd August 2009, 20:15
1 thing i noted from seraching through my partnership details, is the name of the bank. (possibly holding the cash??)

My states Barclays Bank, Stoke Gifford, bristol. I am going to try and call them monday and see where i get. after all, i am a partner in this so called partnership. Maybe i can get access some cash that way.

awaythelads
22nd August 2009, 23:04
1 thing i noted from seraching through my partnership details, is the name of the bank. (possibly holding the cash??)

My states Barclays Bank, Stoke Gifford, bristol. I am going to try and call them monday and see where i get. after all, i am a partner in this so called partnership. Maybe i can get access some cash that way.

Have already tried. Won't work. You won't be a recognised account holder. Would be interested if you could find out who is/are and compare notes with me. I have told Barclays relationship manager for account about situation. The more pressure the better ...
PM me if you have any success or failure.

Sigixxer
27th August 2009, 10:53
Dear All,

I am reading this story unfold with dismay, I too am affected by this farce and they are holding onto monies of mine too.

no responce to emails now at all.

Want to get involved in sorting this out, I have seen a few posts about legal advise, trading standards etc - Is someone on the forum coordinating this effort, if so how do i add to this growing list

Thanks

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rod1969
27th August 2009, 15:16
Ok so I am no where as bad off as some as I left Sunday last year and demanded my tax monies held returned to me with final payment. That said I have discoverd that HMRC report a different amount of monies submitted on my behalf from Bradbury and Co then should have been. Also a partnership return for the 07/08 Tax year has still not been filed and although HMRC have removed the £100 penalty for this from my account previously I am now being sent numerous letters demanding the partnership return. I will still have to have a partnership return for 08/09 to complete my SATR in January 2010.

NZSpida
1st September 2009, 08:16
Hi there,

I'm in the same boat and would love to be contacted by whoever is organising any efforts against these guys.

I used Sunday for the 07/08 year and am now back in New Zealand and trying fruitlessly to contact Bradbury/Sunday via email and have a final amount paid to HMRC.

Cheers,
Brendan

ContractorA
1st September 2009, 11:17
Hi,



I worked with them during the year 07/08. I had contact with Bradbury and co until the end of this June. I even signed and returned my revised self assessment to them. By the end of June I have received bankruptcy warning notice from HMRC. Then only I realised they did nothing. Only proof I have against them is, in one letter they mentioned 'the company with held £xxx of your tax in your partnership account and it will be released when we submit your self assessments'.

I have contacted many agencies like ‘Citizens Advice bureau’, but everyone pointing to their ability and said we cannot help. There are none here to help us. HMRC only care about money. Legally it is a money fraud. The only possible way I think is to contact a solicitor or some legal advice.

Is there any one found a way to sort this out?

Cheers
AAK

januszstabik
6th September 2009, 10:19
I too am having the same issues with Sunday. I used them from December to April this year and cannot get in touch with them.

How do I join the group / send PM messages?

januszstabik
6th September 2009, 19:04
taking a look at companies house it states that Sunday Solutions status is "Active - Proposal to strike off" what does this mean?

DaveB
6th September 2009, 21:41
It means that they have applied to have the company closed down. You need to get onto companies house sharpish and find out how to lodge a complaint. They should not be allowed to do it if the company still has outstanding debts.

eliquant
6th September 2009, 22:09
This sounds so bad, from the outside looks like they retained contractor's tax liability money and purposely didn't file the tax returns so that HMRC wouldn't go chasing (or at least stall HMRC). (Eliquant in 'No Tulip Sherlock mode). Sounds like fraud to me.

I reckon you lot with trouble in Sunday need to band together ASAP, pool your resources and organise a legal case against these guys and get them to court to get your money back; otherwise they will just get away with it.

januszstabik
7th September 2009, 15:58
Contacted Bradbury via telephone. The lady answering the phone works in a call centre and does not work for Bradbury - they jsut forward the notes onto Bradbury via email. Also contacted the Tramshed - Bradbury have not been there since April. So it seems that Bradbury have done a runner.

I've spoken to a solicitor friend of mine who stated the following course of action.

- Write to all companies concerned using the registered addresses, using recoreded delivery, stating your grieviences and asking how the issue is due to be resolved.

- Allow a week for a response.

Then if no response we have 2 routes, Criminal Law or Civil Law.

Criminal Law
- Basically going down the police / fraud route. Andrew N may thereafter go to jail but we won't get our money back.

Civil Law
i.e. Sueing. But if he doesn't have the cash then we may also not get our cash back.

Also, "Sunday Solutions Ltd" has had a proposal to strike off. Is this one of the companies we are concerend about??? If so, we need to write a letter to Companies House stating why we are complaining about the strike off. If companies house feel that the reasons are correct then they will abort the strike off. I will write the letter if it is a company involved (i.e. my correspondance from Sunday was on "Sunday Wealth management Ltd" header paper).

januszstabik
7th September 2009, 19:22
OMG!!!
Based on the last message I called Bradbury today. Afterweeks of hearing the answer message a female answered! At least they've not turned the phones off completely.

I asked to speak to someone in particular, she mentioned she didn't know that person and it could be as they have two offices and that I had got through to the "overflow office." HMM.

In addition I was told I could not talk to the accountants today as they are rather busy (doing what exactly?) and she'll get one of them to call me back.

Just thought i'd give you an update, however small it is. Should I receive a call back (I won't hold my breath) I will let you know how I get on.

I really hope something is getting sorted out!!!!!!!!!

The lady you spoke to works in a generic call center that handles the call for Bradbury. I spoke to her today, she just passes messages onto Bradbury. I also spoke to the Tramshed, Bradbury / Sunday left there in April.

rod1969
14th September 2009, 09:19
From what I know most active accounts with Sunday Solutions transferred to Reed Umbrella - I notice they have a web page under construction with a contact number.

I know of a few people who were with Sunday but now have a contact at Reed.

Hopefully this helps some of you.

ContractorA
15th September 2009, 14:25
The address
<removed>

As per the record
Andrew John Nyiri is the Director
Yvonne Nyiri is the company secretary.

I found this information from companys house. I think we can get more details from here. The companys willow medae, sunday wealth mangement solutions, sundal solutions and bradbury and co, all accounts of them in OVERDUE in the companys house report.

<mod note>Not happy with the address being published here. It is in the public domain so if anyone wants to look it up they can. Please do not post this again.</mod note>

Yerras
17th September 2009, 11:53
Hi,

i just realised about this scam, still in some shock thinking about the amount of the arrears to HMRC for 07-08 and tax money held back for 08-09.
HMRC letter was recieved yesterday for unpaid amount...

SeverAllTies
17th September 2009, 13:34
Hi all, I have recently come across this thread and am intrigued about one person in particular.

Can anyone tell me anything about Richard Jellard? A search on Google shows Richard Jellard runs a business called Arcedia. Is that the same Richard Jellard as the one associated with Sunday Solutions?

Thanks

teclo
17th September 2009, 14:30
I'm so glad I told them to piss off when they started calling me at the start of my contracting life. I was already with CU and they kept on trying me to leave and join them. Muppets.

simonl1980
17th September 2009, 17:35
All,

I posted on this thread (page 6) a while back, but since then I've not had chance to really follow the problems up with sunday/bradbury - alas it's definitely too late now!

It appears that I'm one of the lucky ones however - I spoke to HMRC recently and my 2nd POA for 08/09 was paid in full and on time by Sunday/Bradbury. According to my calculations they still have about £2k which I don't expect to get back.

In terms of legal action, I'd be interested in that. One option that I don't think anyone has managed is that when I joined Sunday Solutions, they put my onto Sunday IFA Ltd. I realise it's Bradbury that have the money, but I don't know if there's any use in notifying the FSA as well? Perhaps if they see the link between all the different companies they would put their weight behind any action too?

<EDIT>
I've been informed by Sunday IFA Ltd that they no longer have any dealings or relationship with either Sunday Solutions or Bradbury and Co. So please ignore my message above.
Thanks.
</EDIT>

rich_e
17th September 2009, 18:02
I seem to recall Bradburys stating that the retained tax funds were ring-fenced in bank accounts allocated to each partnership. This was supposed to safeguard the money and make it accessible to the partners in circumstances such as these. Does anyone know how this is supposed to work in practice?

MarthaT
22nd September 2009, 20:36
Hi,
I've just seen all the earlier postings on problems with Sunday/Bradbury.

I have been with them for 2 years now, and not really had many problems with them until lately. Have been trying to get my tax paid for 08/09 and of course it hasn't been. Constant chasing of them to get my money released since April when my last contract finished and I stopped working with them, but still no response. Tonight I've received a call from HMRC, and this prompted me to google 'Sunday' and I came across this forum.

I've sent details off to the yahoo address I saw in some earlier threads, I'm interested in hearing how anyone has got on now?

NZSpida
22nd September 2009, 23:12
Hi guys. I owe the HMRC a relatively small amount (yet to be paid from retention money) and despite not hearing from Bradbury in a while, I actually received an email a couple of days ago from a 'consultant drafted in to help alleviate the bottleneck'.

They might just be stringing us all along with no intention of paying out retentions, but if so, this email went to a lot of effort to explain the situation!
I've been given an estimate of 2 weeks before I hear more, so hopefully HMRC dont charge me penalties first.

All the best,
Brendan

FICO
23rd September 2009, 06:52
thanks for the update, I am having problems chasing Bradbury for an unpaid tax bill. Lets see

ContractorA
25th September 2009, 12:37
Hi Guys,

Did you anyone have any document to proove any link between Sunday and Willow meade.

When I called willow meade, the lady answered me as Bradbury. So now Willow meade is also disappeared.

If anyone have documents to link them and any insurance document of sunday or bradbury, please send it to me, it will really help me.

FICO
27th September 2009, 20:19
I called WillowMeade last week and they said I need to call Bradbury with regards to my tax bill!

the guy also gave me a number for Sunday Solutions but they have a permanent answerphone message on!

we are all getting a good run around....:mad

sgt.pepper
28th September 2009, 22:12
Anyone know if the Sunday/Bradbury Action Group is still going? I emailed in my details the other day and had no response.....

FICO
29th September 2009, 17:24
Anyone know if the Sunday/Bradbury Action Group is still going? I emailed in my details the other day and had no response.....

I have emailed my details across to the group too, have not heard anything yet either

smalldog
30th September 2009, 10:45
might sound like a dumb question but have any of you guys visited their offices in person?? If its that much cash I'd be setting up base camp outside their offices until I saw someone in person. Also can trading standards help in anyway?

FICO
30th September 2009, 11:48
i thought about doing this but I heard somewhere they have moved offices or something?

does anyone have the latest info about this?

sgt.pepper
1st October 2009, 21:39
Does anyone know a good, reasonable solicitor they could recommend to me to chase this crowd down? If so could you PM if poss.

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davehh
1st October 2009, 22:16
might sound like a dumb question but have any of you guys visited their offices in person?? Bingo!

Well done smalldog! Do you know how long it's actually taken you guys to suggest something constructive? Sure, you've set yourself up a little group, but is it really making a difference? (Your still barking up the wrong tree btw) Why it's taken this long to get this far is beyond me.

I think you should all stop speculating and start looking at the facts. You are at least 3 years behind Sunday and I haven't seen anything to suggest you are closer to solving the issue than you were in March.

If you are thinking about resolving this issue, stop throwing random names and companies into the hat and go after the people that can actually give you the money your owed. (They haven't been mentioned yet).

Good luck and keep the post going (it brightens up our day!)

DaveB
2nd October 2009, 08:23
Bingo!

Well done smalldog! Do you know how long it's actually taken you guys to suggest something constructive? Sure, you've set yourself up a little group, but is it really making a difference? (Your still barking up the wrong tree btw) Why it's taken this long to get this far is beyond me.

I think you should all stop speculating and start looking at the facts. You are at least 3 years behind Sunday and I haven't seen anything to suggest you are closer to solving the issue than you were in March.

If you are thinking about resolving this issue, stop throwing random names and companies into the hat and go after the people that can actually give you the money your owed. (They haven't been mentioned yet).

Good luck and keep the post going (it brightens up our day!)


You're assuming they have offices that can be visited.

From previous posts I'm guessing their registered office either no longer exists or is just a forwarding service with a call center. No-one there is going to be able to help.

As I said before, you need to get onto companies house and ensure they are not allowed to close the company.

You then need to get the names of the directors, which I think have already been mentioned and start legal action against the company.

Gets yourselves together, get a solicitor and get cracking. Time is not on your side here and you need to act quickly.

If any of you are PCG members, probably unlikely, talk to them and get some help and advice.

Talk to trading standards local to you and in the area covering the registered offices.

Talk to HMRC's Tax Evasion team, chances are SS are not going to be decalring the money they have held onto and trying to avoid paying their own tax liabilities.

smalldog
2nd October 2009, 11:03
yep, luckily this doesnt affect me! However I would absolutely be going down the route of companies house, directors details and civil law suit against either the company itself OR the directors in person. It would really not be difficult to track down the directors home addresses if the companies registered office is full of tumbleweeds, just club together, put a few grand in a bank account and get some tracing agents to hunt them down! Then get solicitors to raise legal paperwork including county court proceedings and hopefully they have something of value you can sue them for!!

This forum is good for getting the group of individuals affected together but you need someone to take the reins and get cracking, not pontificate about what could or couldnt be done...engage one solicitor to tke the case for all of you, not individually....cheaper and easier...there maybe some embezlement going on which could also be criminal rather than civil. Theyve basically done a runner with your money by the sounds of it, and on that basis its theft, someone phone the police and see if they can get involved....

good luck guys!

Alan @ BroomeAffinity
2nd October 2009, 11:14
I have done a compay search on Sunday Solutions and I have Nyri's personal address. Don't know if its appropriate to post it on here though.

Its not hard to get if you go to Companies House.

getyourdosh
8th October 2009, 21:55
Bingo!

Well done smalldog! Do you know how long it's actually taken you guys to suggest something constructive? Sure, you've set yourself up a little group, but is it really making a difference? (Your still barking up the wrong tree btw) Why it's taken this long to get this far is beyond me.

I think you should all stop speculating and start looking at the facts. You are at least 3 years behind Sunday and I haven't seen anything to suggest you are closer to solving the issue than you were in March.

If you are thinking about resolving this issue, stop throwing random names and companies into the hat and go after the people that can actually give you the money your owed. (They haven't been mentioned yet).

Good luck and keep the post going (it brightens up our day!)

Nyiri is just a puppet/muppet the true single owner of all this has not been mentioned!!

rich_e
9th October 2009, 10:29
Nyiri is just a puppet/muppet the true single owner of all this has not been mentioned!!
You wouldn't care to share this information would you?

dieselfumes
9th October 2009, 13:44
You wouldn't care to share this information would you?

....and the answer is?

davehh
9th October 2009, 15:56
Nyiri is just a puppet/muppet the true single owner of all this has not been mentioned!! The penny is gradually dropping! It's taken 176 posts, but the penny is slowly hitting the floor!

Hopefully by post number 300 you may be actually getting somewhere.

getyourdosh
11th October 2009, 21:24
DaveH I take it you had the bad fortune to work for these people.

rich_e
12th October 2009, 07:27
....and the answer is?

Lord Lucan?

biggles_1
12th October 2009, 08:43
If so do spill the beans. Surely someone claiming to be so in the know wouldn;t have an issue with showing how knowledgable they are.

J.

davehh
12th October 2009, 10:28
Surely someone claiming to be so in the know wouldn;t have an issue with showing how knowledgable they are.Why would I want to do that?

This forum has dismissed Sunday Solutions for years on nothing more than speculation, yet all of a sudden you now want facts.

You are going to have to try harder than that.

getyourdosh
12th October 2009, 11:39
Look at who controls <removed> Sunday solutions willow Meade Sunday group, <removed>. Do your research look at directorships past and present!!!

biggles_1
12th October 2009, 14:37
John Summers?

Davehh - Not sure who you are other than a wind up merchant. Of course this board shun Sunday Solutions. Look at the mess that has been made out of many peoples tax returns.

J.

davehh
13th October 2009, 00:56
John Summers?Ha Ha. Brilliant! Good luck asking him for your money!


Davehh - Not sure who you are other than a wind up merchant. Of course this board shun Sunday Solutions. Look at the mess that has been made out of many peoples tax returns.I think you will find;
1. This board was making negative, unsubstantiated comments long before this issue arose
2. If you consider the amount of contractors Sunday have (or had!), it works out as a very small percentage of the total amount of contractors they support.
3. It seems to me that quite a few of the contractors on this board who signed up with Sunday still don't fully understand the scheme. Taking this into consideration, are you all making a big song and dance because you want your money back, or are you trying to make ammends for your incompetencies at knowing what you were signing upto the first place?

It just seems to me that a large percentage of you have dived on the contractor bandwagon for the cash, without fully understanding the issues surrounding the contracting industry.

It’s a bit like securing a job in McDonald’s, not realising that you are expected to work in a kitchen.

biggles_1
13th October 2009, 10:06
davehh,

I knew what I was joining having looked at a variety of offshore/umbrella/Ltd and solutions. I came to the conclusion that this solution was the best for me at the time. I also wasn't involved in any bad feeling towards Sunday or Bradbury up until my fine and latepayment notice from HMRC. In hindsight I wish I'd just gone Ltd in the first place as it is a lot easier.

Against the contract that was signed my taxes were not paid to HMRC on two occasions and the phone lines etc are now being ignored, Partnership pages are not being finalised and payments are being withheld.

I don't know how many people Sunday had on their books but it shouldn't be any percentage that are being treated like this.

The fees charged are in the region of 10-13% for different individuals when they were quoted as 6-7%.

Overall a very shoddy service. If they had made mistakes and then made amends that would be one thing but to make mistakes and then board all the windows is both irresponsible and unreasonable. I fail to understand how you can defend them.

J.

FICO
14th October 2009, 16:36
I spoke to my old boss about this who has been a contractor for a while and she advised me to pay my HMRC tax bill asap and then find an accountant to complete my 2008/9 return and work something out.

Apparently the directors have run off with the money they witheld for us - for our tax bills!

I have emailed the groups and have got no response, if anyone can offer anymore advice can you post here or pm me. thanks

myaccount
18th October 2009, 09:39
I ran a google search for Sunday Solution and Bradbury problems and found this forum. I have read all the posts in this thread and conclude that no one was able to recover money from Bradbury / Sunday.

In my case, I am still receiving response to my emails from Bradbury even though nothing seems to be happening. In my case they seem to have made a payment recently (in the past few month) which forces me to believe that they are still in the process of settling some payments to HMRC. Having said that, they have not filed my tax returns for 2008/09.

Q1. Bradbury & CO - Phone calls
They don't answer the phones anymore instead the call goes to some call center. Have you guys tried ringing them and has anyone got a call back from the accountants yet ?

Q2. Sunday Solutions - Non existing!!

This seems to be a non-existing entity now. Imagine most of you were registered as partners. Can we show the amount we lost as loss in the partnership ?


Q3. Report to Police:

Has anyone informed the POLICE, if Yes, What was the result of informing the cops ? It would be good to know how to go about doing this.


Q4. HMRC - Inform HMRC about Bradbury ?

How to go about informing the HMRC ? Would they be able to do something about this ? Has anyone tried this approach ?


Q5. Watch Dog BBC
Has anyone given this story to "Watch Dog" BBC ?


Q6. Tax Returns
Did any of you get Bradbury to complete your tax returns for 2007/08 or 2008/2009 in the past few months ? Have they contacted HMRC on your behalf ?


Q7. Court Case:

Do you know of anyone who has already filed a case against Sunday and Bradbury CO ? If yes, what was the outcome ?


Q8. Complete Tax Returns
How to get some other accountant to fill the tax return for the period that Bradbury failed to ?


Q9. People behind this

Have you got mobile numbers of any one who works or worked in Bradbury ? I am sure it would help cops to trace the person behind all this if we chose to go to the cops.

Q11. Suggestions ?
Any other suggestions that would help all of us ?

I know it's too many questions to answer but it would be of great help if you guys could answer these questions. Would appreciate if you'll take sometime to answer the questions above.

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saratbabu07
19th October 2009, 14:20
I was a partner with Sunday solutions from Aug 08 to March 09. After several failed attempts via phone to contact Bradbury for my 2008/09 tax returns, I requested my current payroll agency Von Essen to chase them. Last week i was informed that bradbury is still in the process of finalising my partnership accounts and they will only be ready in time for the online submission deadline 31st Jan 2010.

I am really worried about my tax money held by bradbury, could anyone help?

electro
21st October 2009, 12:43
The managing partner pre Sept 2007 was 'TSSP LLP', OC316583

They have a proposed strike off at companies house. The way to prevent this is to mail companies house, giving a reason for your objection. I've sent one. Others might like to do the same.

Anyone have a company number for the managing partner after the partnerships were renamed?

pck
25th October 2009, 17:04
Hi saratbabu07

Looks like you and me are in a very similar boat. I too was with Sunday from Aug 08 until Mar this year. Unlike you, I haven't heard from Bradbury since late Aug when they told me that delivery of the accounts was imminent. However, since Aug, Von Essen and I have emailed weekly for an update but to no avail. When you got your notification last week, was that via Von Essen or were you contacted direct from Bradbury? Now, having lost all confidence in them and without any other alternative, my last correspondence told them I would be seeking legal advice to recover the tax funds they are withholding. I've heard nothing to-date.

schnizzle
27th October 2009, 13:00
I run a Service Provider company, which has previously had consultants supplied to it by 'Sunday Solutions'. The commercials were drawn up between my company and Willow Meade (Willow Meade acting as Invoicing agents in terms of billing my co).

I have seen a copy of the LLP Agreement which the consultants I had were a party to. There is no mention of Sunday Solutions or Willow Meade in any of the small print, BUT Bradbury & Co (Stoke Gifford, Bristol) are clearly stated as the Managing Accountants. The Partnership Bank is Barclays, Stoke Gifford (I assume Bradbury Managed this). There is mention that the Accountant will maintain Capital Accounts for each Partnership member, and that a Management Fee will be deducted each month. Therefore it would seem in law there is connection made between each Partnership Member and Bradbury.

It would seem a certain Andrew John Nyiri, listed at Companies House as Director of Bradbury has a lot to answer for - specifically were are the funds appertaining to each members specifically retained for each members tax bills. You also need to be aware that the company has also applied to be dissolved (01/09/2009 at Companies House). Given that a lot of you here can consider yourselves to be 'Creditors' to Bradbury, it is imperative you write to companies house to stop the dissolution of this company.

A company cannot be dissolved whilst there are Creditors debts to settle. There remains the question of the outstanding Annual Accounts which Bradbury has yet to file with Companies House -which would give clarity to the Company Balance sheet. Either the Partners 'retained' tax funds are still inside Bradbury, or the funds have been moved elsewhere, contrary to LLP Partnership Agreement which you may ave signed up to. The LLP Partnership agreement and relationshi to Bradbury (the Managing Accountant) is key to establishing whether there is a case for the Authorities to undertake a criminal investigation into the Company. I really feel for those members on this board affected by this. In fact on of my close buddies is £10-£15k exposed. You owe it to yourselves to write to companies house to stop the dissolution of Bradbury, and follow up with your own CCJ actions against the Director of Bradbury, and also to consider informing the Authorities to undertake a criminal invstigation into this company..good luck schnizzle

FICO
27th October 2009, 17:47
great post schnizzle

any idea on what I need to include in my letter to companies house to stop the dissolution on Bradbury?

mikemloy
28th October 2009, 07:57
Hi all
I am also one of the many who is struggling to get anything out of Bradbury.
The most recent correspondance was my statement of accounts which I had to agree to before a release of funds letter needed to be signed. this was last week from someone called chris collins at bradburyandco.com.....last email I sent bounced.
I have been struggling to get much out of them for the past 2 months as I am sure everyone else has.

I agree with the post about contacting companies house in the first instance to stop Bradbury disolving...but has anyone instigated legal action against Bradbury yet this could be done as a joint suit.
I would be interested in joining any ongoing action or even instigating it, if nothing has been done yet.
Mike

Lewis
28th October 2009, 08:46
Further to snizzle's post ... just a thought .. maybe you could provide companies house with a link to this forum with brief explaination so they have a clear picture of how many people are affected (in case not everyone writes to them).

Russettsjowett
28th October 2009, 09:04
I am also in the same situation. July '09 tax instalment not paid.

Emails to Bradbury unanswered.

I thought these was a group in a similar situation organised by <name removed> <sundaybradbury@yahoo.co.uk> but I have no response from this email address either.

Any news?

rich_e
28th October 2009, 13:18
Hi all
I am also one of the many who is struggling to get anything out of Bradbury.
The most recent correspondance was my statement of accounts which I had to agree to before a release of funds letter needed to be signed. this was last week from someone called chris collins at bradburyandco.com.....last email I sent bounced.
I have been struggling to get much out of them for the past 2 months as I am sure everyone else has.

I agree with the post about contacting companies house in the first instance to stop Bradbury disolving...but has anyone instigated legal action against Bradbury yet this could be done as a joint suit.
I would be interested in joining any ongoing action or even instigating it, if nothing has been done yet.
Mike

Did you receive your Partnership Accounts by post?

I have heard that a few other people have received these. I think that this is a good sign, at least they seem still to be around. Getting our retained funds back is another issue.

Titanic
28th October 2009, 17:50
To all those who wrote to companies house preventing the strike off action: well done! They've posted a notice saying that they've discontinued the 'strike off action':

"STRIKING OFF ACTION DISCONTINUED

Cause has been shown why the above company should not be struck off the register and accordingly the Registrar is taking no further action under section 652 of the Companies Act 1985 pursuant to the Notice dated 05/09/09"

latemate
29th October 2009, 15:55
Months waiting lots of calls, and email sent, my situation is just one of total lack of confidence in Bradbury due to no contact, today my accounts came through, together with cover letter, I'm not happy but glad this is now coming to an end. (I hope!) it seems if I agree to the partnership accounts funds will be released... Ill keep you posted

NZSpida
30th October 2009, 00:52
Heard from Chris Collins yesterday, stating that 'all accounts should be completed by the end of next week, but could take longer'.

I'm still making up my mind as to whether they're just stalling, or if it's legit.

In the mean time, I paid my debt (07/08) because I didn't want HMRC chasing me down or adding penalties.

Good luck guys - hopefully something good is happening behind the scenes.

Benni2000
30th October 2009, 11:04
Does anyone have Chris Collins contact details?? Or anyone who responds?

Its been over 4 months since I've heard anything from those cowboys.

Also, does anyone have a Schedule 2? I was 'conveniently' never sent one, and it should state the partnership address, as the contracts are written up in a way that the partnership 'owner' is responsible for releasing funds.

Also, is anyone in the Spenser Acheson partnership? Would be interesting to hear if you are in the same position as me, and if they are actually still trading. I left in April, and still owed £20k+, with £0 paid ever paid to the HMRC.

And final question - is anyone still in an active partnership - what happened when Sunday closed down - where you moved to Reed Umbrella, or this Von Essen Group? Both claim they are seperate legal entities to Sunday, even though Reed Umbrellas previous name was Sunday Solution (on Companies House).

That Bradbury messaging service is a joke - they actually pause whilst pretending to see if the person is available, then tell you they're not - and they're not even based in the same office/building!! Its been outsourced to some team who put messages into a system, which are then never replied to. And even more cunningly, the system 'doesn't allow them to check what number or email address these numbers are sent to'!

And finally - one bit of 'good' news (clutching at straws) is I checked with Companies House on Bradbury & Co, and they are still active and didn't ever apply to be struck off.

schnizzle
30th October 2009, 11:35
In my previous thread I mentioned my dealings with 'Sunday Solutions' (Willow Meade) and the mention of Bradbury & Co as the 'Managing Accountants' in LLP Agreements I have seen.

What isn't clear is the bit in the middle (I call this the unknown entity). Is it an LLP, a Ltd Company, or Sunday Solutions (Who Are Sunday Solutions?). I know of 2 LLPs which Contractors have received documentation for setting them out as 'partners' in - i.e Sherman Bustamente LLP & OBrien Flynn LLP. By LAW. an LLP has to be registered with Companies House (allocated an OCxxxxx Reg Number) - neither SB or OBF are!! This is very suspicious, and it begs the question as to whether each Contractor (Partner) has simply been given 'bogus' LLP documentation. If this is so, then this points to FRAUD being orchestrated - you guys are the victims.

What needs to be established is to which Company Entity was Willow Meade (the Invoicing Agent) paying each Contractors 'Invoiced Fees'. It is my suggestion that Sherman Bustamente and OBrien Flynn (are merely ficticious LLP entities, mentioned in bogus documentation only. Bank Accounts could not be opened in the UK in the names of these LLPs without supporting Companies House registration documentation being privided to the Bank. Instead the 'unknown entity' is a Limited Company, whose remit 'was/is' to Manage (a Management Company) each LLP (i.e SB or OBF) - but there is nothing in any LLP docmentation (Schedule 2 you'll find), which states who the LLP Administrator is.

Willow Meade know to which Bank Account(s) 'invoiced fees' were Paid - might this be the Barclays Bank Account (Stoke Gifford, Bristol), mentioned in the LLP documentation, but who controls the 'unknown entity bank account. It isn't clear if Bradbury & Co are innocent in this or are otherwise 100% complicit. On the basis that SB & OBF agreements are ficticious, then this looks more and more like a FRAUD.

Alternatively Bradbury & Co might simply have been contracted by the 'unknown entity' (the LLP Management Company) to provide 'Accountancy Services' in terms of managing the statutory compliance affairs (ie VAT, Companies House Returns) of each ficticious LLP. Perhaps they haven't been paid for their services either!!!

OR

'Bradbury & Co' and the 'Unknown Entity' are the one of the SAME - In which case the Annual Return of Bradbury & Co, (late & yet to filed) will be interesting to see. This return will show all the accumulated payments made to it by Willow Meade, and the payments in part made to you guys. You would hope it shows the residual funds allocated for 'YOUR TAX' payments with respect to your ficticious LLP agreements.

'OR' 'the Unknown Entity truly stands separate from both Bradbury & Co and Willow Meade. This is were tracing the Bank Account into which Willow Meade paid your Invoicing Fees into, and to which your received your 'Part Monthly Payments' (less retained fees for Tax later) to you guys becomes key to establish

You should also endeavour to check your own records with the Inland Revenue - specifically 'under what LLP partnership am I registered'. Next speak to your banks and ask them to confirm from 'which Bank Account' your payment(s) for your invoices were being paid from (Could it be the Barclays, Stoke Gifford bank, cited in the ficticious SB and OBF LLP agreements). You have to be registered as belonging to an 'LLP'. If your registered as only self employed (and not belonging to any LLP), then you've ALL been duped.

So where's your money? This is pure speculation from me. I summise that Willow Meade (Invoicing Agent), billed your Agency/End Client, and passed the funds to the 'Unknown Entity' bank account. The 'unknown entity', is IN FACT (the LLP Management Company (Administrator) and is just a normal Limited Company. It quite possible this company has been paying fat salaries and dividends to it's Directors, instead of releasing payments to you guys for your Tax!!! The LLP Management Company may be BRADBURY & Co (who are also the Accountants of the 'ficticious LLPs) - in other words BRADBURY & Co are both LLP Accountants & LLP Adminstrators - that is why it is key to establish the 'Name of the Bank Account' which paid you guys. Tracing this 'name' I suspect is a matter or the Police.

I have noticed that Andrew Nyiri (Bradbury & Co) has 23 Directorships against his name (strewth, this puts him up there with Branson, Murdoch and Sugar). A search on CreditGate will give you details of all his current/previous directorships and any possible Bankruptcies, CCJs etc. I would not be surprised to find that if Willow Meade weren't paying Bradbury & Co directly, then the 'unknown entity' (the LLP Management Company) is another one of his holdings.

The last word from me for now - is get your heads together. Gather all your paperwork together, Agree a 'leader' and go to the Authorities (Police) as 'One'. I've got no idea what sort of appetite the Authorities have for looking at this, but 'unless you ask, you don't get!' schnizzle

rich_e
30th October 2009, 13:14
In my previous thread I mentioned my dealings with 'Sunday Solutions' (Willow Meade) and the mention of Bradbury & Co as the 'Managing Accountants' in LLP Agreements I have seen.

What isn't clear is the bit in the middle (I call this the unknown entity). Is it an LLP, a Ltd Company, or Sunday Solutions (Who Are Sunday Solutions?). I know of 2 LLPs which Contractors have received documentation for setting them out as 'partners' in - i.e Sherman Bustamente LLP & OBrien Flynn LLP. By LAW. an LLP has to be registered with Companies House (allocated an OCxxxxx Reg Number) - neither SB or OBF are!! This is very suspicious, and it begs the question as to whether each Contractor (Partner) has simply been given 'bogus' LLP documentation. If this is so, then this points to FRAUD being orchestrated - you guys are the victims.

What needs to be established is to which Company Entity was Willow Meade (the Invoicing Agent) paying each Contractors 'Invoiced Fees'. It is my suggestion that Sherman Bustamente and OBrien Flynn (are merely ficticious LLP entities, mentioned in bogus documentation only. Bank Accounts could not be opened in the UK in the names of these LLPs without supporting Companies House registration documentation being privided to the Bank. Instead the 'unknown entity' is a Limited Company, whose remit 'was/is' to Manage (a Management Company) each LLP (i.e SB or OBF) - but there is nothing in any LLP docmentation (Schedule 2 you'll find), which states who the LLP Administrator is.

Willow Meade know to which Bank Account(s) 'invoiced fees' were Paid - might this be the Barclays Bank Account (Stoke Gifford, Bristol), mentioned in the LLP documentation, but who controls the 'unknown entity bank account. It isn't clear if Bradbury & Co are innocent in this or are otherwise 100% complicit. On the basis that SB & OBF agreements are ficticious, then this looks more and more like a FRAUD.

Alternatively Bradbury & Co might simply have been contracted by the 'unknown entity' (the LLP Management Company) to provide 'Accountancy Services' in terms of managing the statutory compliance affairs (ie VAT, Companies House Returns) of each ficticious LLP. Perhaps they haven't been paid for their services either!!!

OR

'Bradbury & Co' and the 'Unknown Entity' are the one of the SAME - In which case the Annual Return of Bradbury & Co, (late & yet to filed) will be interesting to see. This return will show all the accumulated payments made to it by Willow Meade, and the payments in part made to you guys. You would hope it shows the residual funds allocated for 'YOUR TAX' payments with respect to your ficticious LLP agreements.

'OR' 'the Unknown Entity truly stands separate from both Bradbury & Co and Willow Meade. This is were tracing the Bank Account into which Willow Meade paid your Invoicing Fees into, and to which your received your 'Part Monthly Payments' (less retained fees for Tax later) to you guys becomes key to establish

You should also endeavour to check your own records with the Inland Revenue - specifically 'under what LLP partnership am I registered'. Next speak to your banks and ask them to confirm from 'which Bank Account' your payment(s) for your invoices were being paid from (Could it be the Barclays, Stoke Gifford bank, cited in the ficticious SB and OBF LLP agreements). You have to be registered as belonging to an 'LLP'. If your registered as only self employed (and not belonging to any LLP), then you've ALL been duped.

So where's your money? This is pure speculation from me. I summise that Willow Meade (Invoicing Agent), billed your Agency/End Client, and passed the funds to the 'Unknown Entity' bank account. The 'unknown entity', is IN FACT (the LLP Management Company (Administrator) and is just a normal Limited Company. It quite possible this company has been paying fat salaries and dividends to it's Directors, instead of releasing payments to you guys for your Tax!!! The LLP Management Company may be BRADBURY & Co (who are also the Accountants of the 'ficticious LLPs) - in other words BRADBURY & Co are both LLP Accountants & LLP Adminstrators - that is why it is key to establish the 'Name of the Bank Account' which paid you guys. Tracing this 'name' I suspect is a matter or the Police.

I have noticed that Andrew Nyiri (Bradbury & Co) has 23 Directorships against his name (strewth, this puts him up there with Branson, Murdoch and Sugar). A search on CreditGate will give you details of all his current/previous directorships and any possible Bankruptcies, CCJs etc. I would not be surprised to find that if Willow Meade weren't paying Bradbury & Co directly, then the 'unknown entity' (the LLP Management Company) is another one of his holdings.

The last word from me for now - is get your heads together. Gather all your paperwork together, Agree a 'leader' and go to the Authorities (Police) as 'One'. I've got no idea what sort of appetite the Authorities have for looking at this, but 'unless you ask, you don't get!' schnizzle

Interesting post Schnizzle, but the flaw in your analysis is that the partnerships were not LLP's, just simple partnerships which do not require any registration with Companies House.

schnizzle
30th October 2009, 16:07
To the Moderator, the information below is in the public domain and I see it as being relevant to this Sunday Solutions forum. The information below has been sourced today from a Credit Reference Agency. (censor if you see fit).

Name: ANDREW JOHN NYIRI
Nationality: BRITISH
Date of Birth: <removed>
Public Address: <removed>
<removed>
BRISTOL
AVON
<removed>

Current Appointments
Company Company Name App.Type App.Date Resign Date Dissolved Date
03076671 BRADBURY & CO LIMITED Director 01/08/1995
04293472 ART AT WORK LIMITED Company Secretary 19/05/2003
05567409 SUNDAY SOLUTIONS LIMITED Director 22/11/2005
05889031 SUNDAY MANAGEMENT LIMITED Company Secretary 27/07/2006
05893949 SUNDAY SOLUTIONS (2006) LTD Director 02/08/2006
05929062 SUNDAY WEALTH MANAGEMENT LIMITED Director 08/09/2006
06174918 JORDAN FAIRCHILD LIMITED Director 21/03/2007
06577586 STRINGER ELECTRICAL SERVICES LIMITED Company Secretary 28/04/2008
06924980 JONES TILLEY AND CO. LTD Director 05/06/2009

Previous Appointments
05567409 SUNDAY SOLUTIONS LIMITED Previous Director 22/11/2005
05929062 SUNDAY WEALTH MANAGEMENT LIMITED Previous Director 08/09/2006
06174918 JORDAN FAIRCHILD LIMITED Previous Director 21/03/2007
05889031 SUNDAY MANAGEMENT LIMITED Previous Director 27/07/2006 15/08/2007
04935493 CLOSE RESOURCE LIMITED Previous Company Secretary 01/02/2007 31/08/2009
04530259 ACCOUNTANCY BUSINESS & TAXATION SERVICES LIMITED Previous Company Secretary 19/04/2007 31/08/2008
06442160 MAKAN DEVELOPMENTS LIMITED Previous Company Secretary 30/11/2007 23/06/2008

Appointments at time of Dissolution
03470811 FEASIBLE LIMITED Director 25/11/1997 29/10/2002
03912997 CTC (EUROPE) LIMITED Company Secretary 01/06/2000 01/07/2003
05195760 WEBBIZ SOLUTIONS LIMITED Company Secretary 03/08/2004 25/04/2006
05902402 SUNDAY CONSULTANCY DIRECTORATE SERVICES LTD Director 10/08/2006 05/05/2009

I think the above says it all really. The LLP agreements you have are highly likely to be Bogus, given that No Record of the LLPs exists in Companies House. This is DECEPTION for a start. I suggest the above aforementioned individual knows exactly where your retained TAX FUNDS are.

I guess the FLOW of Funds have been:-

Agency/Client >>>>Willow Meade>>>> Sunday Solutions Ltd >>> Bradbury & Co (the last 2 both with Nyiri attached to them)

The fact he has tried to liquidate some of his companies (e.g Bradbury & Co, Sunday Solutions Limited), shows no attempt to resolve anything for you guys. You have been DUPED and DE-FRAUDED by this scheme. I suspect your only chance of recovering any of your FUNDS is to make this a CRIMINAL MATTER by collectively bringing it to the Attention of the Authorities. Best of Luck, over and out!! schnizzle

<admin note>Yup , public domain stuff is fine but have taken out DoB and address, if people want that info they can look it up elsewhere. Also, the guess as to cashflow is just that. A guess on behalf of the poster and these do not reflect the views or opinions of Contractor UK.</admin note>

Rhines
30th October 2009, 19:14
I'm not sure if the Partnership details are bogus, I have a copy of my 07/08 Tax Return submitted by Bradbury and provided by HMRC. It has Partnership details on some screen shots, it doesn't have lots of info but does have a Partnership Reference Number. I have spoken to HMRC who confirmed the Partnership accounts for 07/08 are all in order.

Rhines
30th October 2009, 19:42
I have had an email from Bristol Trading Standards advising
DC Alistair QUINN at Bath CID is looking in to their activities and suggested I contact him. The number they gave me is for a fax machine though but when I have the right one I will post it.

Titanic
30th October 2009, 21:26
hi schnizzle

Thanks for all your good detective work.

With regards to the LLPs, Sunday Solutions weren't setting up any LLPs. They were running 'General Partnerships' instead. I believe in the UK you can either run a 'General Partnership' or an LLP, but both are legitimate. Obviously with a general partnership there is no limited liability (all the partners are liable for the partnership's debts).

Obviously I still despise Sunday Solutions / Bradbury and Co and everything they've done. However I think this issue of a non-existent LLP is a red herring.

I really sympathize with all of you that realized about this problem only this year... you've got a lot more aggravation yet to come. I'm still waiting on my 07/08 accounts, nevermind the 08/09 ones...

Titanic
30th October 2009, 21:34
Hi Benni2000

So companies house told you that Bradbury and Co never applied to be struck off? Could you tell us the details of what they told you? (otherwise i can just call them myself next week).

I'm confused because I downloaded the public notices for Bradbury and Co, and there is a document with reference: DEF6 / 03076671, which states the following:

"The registrar of companies gives notice that, unless cause is shown to the contrary, at the expiration of 3 months from the above date (01/09/09) the name of BRADBURY & CO LIMITED will be struck off the register and the company will be dissolved."

This was followed by another notice static that this 'strike off action' was discontinued, because someone had shown 'cause why the above company should not be struck off'.

Does this mean that Bradbury never tried to strike off the company, but that Companies House did? (e.g. perhaps because of a late return?)

If you could elaborate as to your conversation with companies house I would be grateful.

cheers...

cojak
31st October 2009, 11:59
To the Moderator, the information below is in the public domain and I see it as being relevant to this Sunday Solutions forum. The information below has been sourced today from a Credit Reference Agency. (censor if you see fit).

Name: ANDREW JOHN NYIRI
Nationality: BRITISH
Date of Birth: <removed>
Public Address: <removed>
<removed>
BRISTOL
AVON
<removed>

Current Appointments
Company Company Name App.Type App.Date Resign Date Dissolved Date
03076671 BRADBURY & CO LIMITED Director 01/08/1995
04293472 ART AT WORK LIMITED Company Secretary 19/05/2003
05567409 SUNDAY SOLUTIONS LIMITED Director 22/11/2005
05889031 SUNDAY MANAGEMENT LIMITED Company Secretary 27/07/2006
05893949 SUNDAY SOLUTIONS (2006) LTD Director 02/08/2006
05929062 SUNDAY WEALTH MANAGEMENT LIMITED Director 08/09/2006
06174918 JORDAN FAIRCHILD LIMITED Director 21/03/2007
06577586 STRINGER ELECTRICAL SERVICES LIMITED Company Secretary 28/04/2008
06924980 JONES TILLEY AND CO. LTD Director 05/06/2009

Previous Appointments
05567409 SUNDAY SOLUTIONS LIMITED Previous Director 22/11/2005
05929062 SUNDAY WEALTH MANAGEMENT LIMITED Previous Director 08/09/2006
06174918 JORDAN FAIRCHILD LIMITED Previous Director 21/03/2007
05889031 SUNDAY MANAGEMENT LIMITED Previous Director 27/07/2006 15/08/2007
04935493 CLOSE RESOURCE LIMITED Previous Company Secretary 01/02/2007 31/08/2009
04530259 ACCOUNTANCY BUSINESS & TAXATION SERVICES LIMITED Previous Company Secretary 19/04/2007 31/08/2008
06442160 MAKAN DEVELOPMENTS LIMITED Previous Company Secretary 30/11/2007 23/06/2008

Appointments at time of Dissolution
03470811 FEASIBLE LIMITED Director 25/11/1997 29/10/2002
03912997 CTC (EUROPE) LIMITED Company Secretary 01/06/2000 01/07/2003
05195760 WEBBIZ SOLUTIONS LIMITED Company Secretary 03/08/2004 25/04/2006
05902402 SUNDAY CONSULTANCY DIRECTORATE SERVICES LTD Director 10/08/2006 05/05/2009

I think the above says it all really. The LLP agreements you have are highly likely to be Bogus, given that No Record of the LLPs exists in Companies House. This is DECEPTION for a start. I suggest the above aforementioned individual knows exactly where your retained TAX FUNDS are.

I guess the FLOW of Funds have been:-

Agency/Client >>>>Willow Meade>>>> Sunday Solutions Ltd >>> Bradbury & Co (the last 2 both with Nyiri attached to them)

The fact he has tried to liquidate some of his companies (e.g Bradbury & Co, Sunday Solutions Limited), shows no attempt to resolve anything for you guys. You have been DUPED and DE-FRAUDED by this scheme. I suspect your only chance of recovering any of your FUNDS is to make this a CRIMINAL MATTER by collectively bringing it to the Attention of the Authorities. Best of Luck, over and out!! schnizzle

<admin note>Yup , public domain stuff is fine but have taken out DoB and address, if people want that info they can look it up elsewhere. Also, the guess as to cashflow is just that. A guess on behalf of the poster and these do not reflect the views or opinions of Contractor UK.</admin note>

<Tips hat to new boy snizzle...>

I think that DaveB has a worthy contender to his Top Detective crown... :glasses

Zotter
31st October 2009, 18:40
I received my partnership accounts this week as well as a release letter to confirm the final amount of profit share for distribution. Something is still happening in Bradbury. If anyone has made contact with the police already, please let me know so that we can all work through a single point of contact.

dees
2nd November 2009, 16:10
Hi
Am also affected by this issue but to a much lesser degree and only for 2008/09.

Will still try to contact them as they still seem to be receiving emails.

I spoke to their invoicing company today and they are still invoicing for Sunday Solutions.

Cheers
D

pck
2nd November 2009, 18:48
so did you get email contact prior to that? I haven't heard anything for two months... did you get them in the mail? what do they look like, what's the document for funds release like?

Mark1971
2nd November 2009, 19:14
I too used Sunday Solutions and have tried to contact Bradbury every day for the last two weeks......"I'll pass your message on" is the answer each time and if you ask any questions "I really don't know, I'm just the receptionist" is the reply.

I was a partner of Hyatt Van Dyke within Sunday Solutions and to be honest, everything went pretty well last year. I ended up paying a late tax return myself but they sent me a cheque straight back in return. As I have not heard anything from the HMRC this year and being new to all this contractor lark, I wanted to make sure that Bradbury were submitting my tax return as they did last year. You know the rest........ two weeks of not returning calls and now after seeing this forum, I don't know what to do!

So add me to your list! I've just been on the phone to the HMRC and they lady on the phone told me that plenty of this type of thing is happening at the moment. I am a very fair man though and I will give Bradbury to the end of the week, as I have told them today, to get back to me. Then I'll start playing hard ball.

:mad:

KyuJoKun
2nd November 2009, 23:33
Like so many people on this thread I am owed money by Bradbury/SundaySolutions. I have tried getting my money back by getting a solicitor to write to the various entities. Not too surprisingly they have not replied. Has anybody got anywhere with legal action ? I don't want to throw good money after bad.

Moderator, can you enable private messaging for me ?

Russettsjowett
4th November 2009, 08:18
I have tried without success to speak to Bradbury about my 2008-9 accounts and Tax they are holding with no luck.

How do I join this active group?

Is there a central contact for us to pursue together?

Should we be contacting Avon police in force?

pck
4th November 2009, 08:24
I received my partnership accounts this week as well as a release letter to confirm the final amount of profit share for distribution. Something is still happening in Bradbury. If anyone has made contact with the police already, please let me know so that we can all work through a single point of contact.

So these documents, did you get them in the post? What did the release letter say and why do you still want the police if you have this paperwork? I haven't heard anything from them for well over 2 months...

Zotter
4th November 2009, 09:40
Did not get anything in the post. Only received the the letter by e-mail.
The letter was from the partnership, but sent by Bradbury.
It is a letter confirming the final amount due to be paid out to you as profit share. It specifies that you thereby agree to the amount and will not challenge the amount in future and removes any confusion that it is the FINAL SETTLEMENT amount. Once you sign and return this letter, they claim they will distribute the money.
They do not give a timeline in which they will distribute the money.
They also do not provide any breakdown of the costs, which are significantly higher than expected.
I think it gives you two options, either you sign it and swallow the loss, but take away any possibility of a future challenge on the costs, or you do not sign it and fight for the correct amount. In my case, I am to accept the amount, my tax liability will be about 25% higher than the amount they will distribute.

pck
4th November 2009, 10:20
They do not give a timeline in which they will distribute the money.
They also do not provide any breakdown of the costs, which are significantly higher than expected.
I think it gives you two options, either you sign it and swallow the loss, but take away any possibility of a future challenge on the costs, or you do not sign it and fight for the correct amount. In my case, I am to accept the amount, my tax liability will be about 25% higher than the amount they will distribute.

So, you got full and proper partnership accounts but no breakdown of their and Sunday's (I presume you were a Sundayer) costs. That is very worrying especially when you say that the funds retained are shy 25% - how badly have they miscalculated this?! Have you requested a breakdown of those costs or am I nuts in thinking that getting your accounts sent has opened up a line of communication with them?

ContractorA
4th November 2009, 16:18
Did not get anything in the post. Only received the the letter by e-mail.
The letter was from the partnership, but sent by Bradbury.
It is a letter confirming the final amount due to be paid out to you as profit share. It specifies that you thereby agree to the amount and will not challenge the amount in future and removes any confusion that it is the FINAL SETTLEMENT amount. Once you sign and return this letter, they claim they will distribute the money.
They do not give a timeline in which they will distribute the money.
They also do not provide any breakdown of the costs, which are significantly higher than expected.
I think it gives you two options, either you sign it and swallow the loss, but take away any possibility of a future challenge on the costs, or you do not sign it and fight for the correct amount. In my case, I am to accept the amount, my tax liability will be about 25% higher than the amount they will distribute.

Its been two months now, since I received the final statement. Nothing happend. I also contacted Andrew MAcIntyre a month ago. Now his mobile and bradbury number all look like switched off.

Titanic
4th November 2009, 18:16
I too have been pushing for a breakdown of these mysterious 'costs' for the last, well, year.

I too have been pressured to accept settlements, without seeing any details.

Despite the fact that I never saw partnership accounts for 07/08, much less 08/09, they submitted a tax return for 07/08 based on some ludicrous partnership "costs" which were much higher than what they were supposed to be.

So we're told we're partners in a partnership. Our tax liability depends on partnership costs which are never disclosed to us, and which are ridiculously high.

The story they've told me often is that they underestimated certain partners' tax liability forecast - and thus retained less tax provision than they should have done for those partners. That's how they explain the 'increased costs'. However, that story doesn't make any sense, whichever way you look at it. Why deduct money from other people's tax pots, whose forecasts were actually done correctly?

My opinion is that these 'costs' wouldn't hold up to much scrutiny under audit, hence the reason why they don't disclose them. It is one variable completely under their control. They could make up any number they like. Unless they can reconcile these costs to actual partnership expenses, and tally up the receipts, these costs are completely imaginary. In my opinion they'll never be able to reconcile them properly, because these 'costs' is just money that they've been stealing from us, bit by bit... into their pockets. Feathering their nests. Kind of like the MP expenses scandal... right?

We've all been stiffed...

Besides, we were all told from the outset that the Sunday Solutions fee percentage, whatever that was for you, would 'cover' all partnership costs, and also pay for their services. Why precisely have these 'costs' risen through the roof? Why must they take from our own 'client accounts', 'tax provision', or whatever they want to call it.

beh...

Titanic
4th November 2009, 18:22
To Mark1971

Dude, if you've been reading this thread at all I wouldn't try to 'do the decent thing' and give them until the end of the week. Do it now...

The sooner you convince yourself about whats going on and the sooner you start 'playing hard ball', the more chances you'll have of getting any money back at all.

People have been playing hard ball with them for months now, reporting them to the police, to trading standards, to watchdog, to the press, etc the list goes on. To my knowledge some of these have recuperated some money, some more than others. But unless you've actually gone to the county court, or really pressured them in some other way, chances are they'll probably keep ignoring you and giving you false hope whilst HMRC chases you...

just my 2 cents...

Benni2000
4th November 2009, 19:04
Titanic - I called Companies House a week ago and they said no strike off applications had taken place. I've since called them back and found out that there was an application for strike off - forced by Companies House, because accounts hadn't been filled.

Rhines - you mentioned there was a contact in CID, Bristol- please could you post the fax number on here, as this would be a very useful link.

This matter definately needs police consultation. Communicating solely with Bradbury / Sunday will just end up going round in circles.

On a seperate note, Bradbury now have a CCJ against them.

Also - Anyone have andrew nyr*ri's home address? I suspect it will be in the Bristol area - and may prove useful information, as I'm often in the area for work.

Rhines
4th November 2009, 19:45
Benni2000,

I can give you Andrew N's home address but you will need to send me a PM otherwise it will likely be removed.

davehh
4th November 2009, 20:59
I too have been pushing for a breakdown of these mysterious 'costs' for the last, well, year.

I too have been pressured to accept settlements, without seeing any details.

Despite the fact that I never saw partnership accounts for 07/08, much less 08/09, they submitted a tax return for 07/08 based on some ludicrous partnership "costs" which were much higher than what they were supposed to be.

So we're told we're partners in a partnership. Our tax liability depends on partnership costs which are never disclosed to us, and which are ridiculously high.

The story they've told me often is that they underestimated certain partners' tax liability forecast - and thus retained less tax provision than they should have done for those partners. That's how they explain the 'increased costs'. However, that story doesn't make any sense, whichever way you look at it. Why deduct money from other people's tax pots, whose forecasts were actually done correctly?

My opinion is that these 'costs' wouldn't hold up to much scrutiny under audit, hence the reason why they don't disclose them. It is one variable completely under their control. They could make up any number they like. Unless they can reconcile these costs to actual partnership expenses, and tally up the receipts, these costs are completely imaginary. In my opinion they'll never be able to reconcile them properly, because these 'costs' is just money that they've been stealing from us, bit by bit... into their pockets. Feathering their nests. Kind of like the MP expenses scandal... right?

We've all been stiffed...

Besides, we were all told from the outset that the Sunday Solutions fee percentage, whatever that was for you, would 'cover' all partnership costs, and also pay for their services. Why precisely have these 'costs' risen through the roof? Why must they take from our own 'client accounts', 'tax provision', or whatever they want to call it.

beh...Please, please, please take my advice.

Before you start complaining to HMRC, pushing for legal action or running to the police, learn what you signed up for in the first place.

If you want to complain about the school bully, you need to know who they are and what they've done. 223 posts and 9 months of talk, yet half of you STILL know either.

Maybe ganging up in the hope someone else knows what they are talking about is the best option, but it looks like to me the blind are leading the blind!

Titanic is one example, but it's by far not the only.

briaven
4th November 2009, 22:19
Dear Fleming Laing client,

I am writing to you to discuss the status of your 2008-09 self-assessment. Under your previous arrangements with Sunday Solutions, your partnership was provided with accountancy support by Bradbury & Co Ltd. This support would have extended to the preparation and submission of your individual self-assessment tax return.

In recent months, the Fleming Laing management team has become increasingly concerned with the performance of Bradbury & Co and their ability to adequately support those of our clients that were previously clients of Sunday/Bradbury. As you are no doubt aware, the 2008-09 self assessments are due on 31st January 2010, at which point we would like all of our clients who were previously using Sunday to be in the position to file a completed self-assessment, accurately and on time. We will therefore be offering each of those clients the option of engaging an alternative, chartered accountancy firm to facilitate the completion of their 2008-09 self-assessment, at no extra cost, for their partnership earned income.

If you have not already, you will shortly be receiving your partnership accounts for 2008-09 from Bradbury & Co. These will breakdown your ingoings/outgoings from the partnership and calculate your tax liability for 2008-09. If you have not yet provided Bradbury with full details of your business expenses/assets, please note that this liability may not be 100% accurate.

In order for us to retrieve the necessary information from Bradbury & Co to pass to our accountants we will need your legal authority. Please complete the attached e-mail template and send it back to me to initiate this process. If you have any outstanding expense receipts, asset details or other information that relates to your 2008-09 tax position, please send it to us at:

Fleming Laing

Department 120

3 Edgar Buildings

George Street

Bath

BA1 2FJ



Please try to send this information in as soon as possible, as any significant delay could increase your liability, or affect the ability of our accountants to complete your tax return on time.

I recieved this today. Has any one else had this and whats your opion.

MarthaT
4th November 2009, 22:45
yes, I've had the same note yesterday from (name removed), and like you I wasn't really sure what to think about it. I thought can the situation really get any worse, so I have authorised Fleming Laing to take this up. Although I am seriously wondering whether we will get anything back in time for the self assessment forms to go in on time in January at this rate..

scotspine
4th November 2009, 23:07
Benni2000,
it will likely be removed.

correct.

sp

biggles_1
5th November 2009, 09:46
Davehh,

You seem to think you know a lot about this yet don't give any information or tell us how you know all this. It seems like you are the bully that just comes on here to taunt board users, thumbing your nose and chanting "I know something you don't know".

I am one of the lucky ones from what I can see. Since April this year I have had approximately £17k returned by Bradbury/Sunday/Partnership.

If you ignore that they have charged me an extra 3.5k on fees compared to their prediction I am only awaiting return of £350 fines and interest that was charged by HMRC.

Davehh ... Stop talking in riddles. If you want to say something then say it and if you don't want to tell people whatever it is that you know then stop taunting them.

The information requested cannot be posted but I can't see that I am doing anything wrong by saying it is freely available on the web, the registered address is found at:

http://www.ukdata.com/company-listings/Su-35.html

If you look at Sunday entries then you can probably find the information you are after.

Otherwise ... If you really looked carefully you could check page 10 of this forum:

http://forums.contractoruk.com/accounting-legal/39181-sunday-solutions-anyone-else-having-problem-10.html

I believe this may also help you in your search. If you are in the area then please have a word with him from all of us and post his response.

As far as I am concerned I am still out of pocket and want the rest of my money back. I have had no response for some time now to mails or calls.

Lewis
5th November 2009, 10:01
Rhines - you mentioned there was a contact in CID, Bristol- please could you post the fax number on here, as this would be a very useful link.

I'm not involved in this Sunday Solutions mess but I have a great deal of sympathy for you all.

This davehh character ... his concern and support seem a little false to me. I can't help thinking he's just trying to put the cat amongst the pigeons. Perhaps one of your representatives should discus his posts with the CUK admins, especially if this is turning into a criminal matter.

Just a thougt? Good luck all, I hope you get your money back.

scotspine
5th November 2009, 10:17
guys, i'm monitoring this discussion fairly closely and while i'd agree that, in response to a request, Davehh is not contributing too much, neither is he/she creating too much noise, so i'll leave things as they are at the moment. in the meantime could i please remind you of legal 'niceties' and request that you post no inflammatory material or material of a slanderous nature?

thanks
sp

zorionak
5th November 2009, 11:54
Sunday Solutions, Willow Mead, Bradbury & Co (note the &) apparently there is another Bradbury and Co in Yorkshire with no connection.

My question is has anyone attempted to get their monies back from Bradbury & Co through legal means and if so how did it go?

I left the partnership over a year ago. My final tax assessment year 07/08 was successfully closed (I have HMRC written proof) although that was a story!!

The thing is I had money in the reserve account that Bradbury used to pay the tax liability (I got them to pay penalties from their own pocket... that's another story). The money paid to the tax man was not as much as I had in the account and so as I left the partnership I am now seeking to get the refund for the balance that was left......over a year has gone by and reading some of the stories a) I am glad I'm not the only person in the same boat and b) it strengthens my resolve to consider the legal route.

Perhaps all those in the same boat should consider joining forces and submitting a 'joint' class action?

Zotter
5th November 2009, 13:45
Interesting development, all the email addresses for Bradbury have now been deleted. The only one that still works is info@bradburyandco.com. Also there is a new telephone number on the website, but this number does not even exist.

biggles_1
5th November 2009, 13:53
This morning I tried e-mailing Chris collins again as I had been told that he was the person dealing with it. On Saturday he replied to me saying that he didn;t know about my fines and would organise it.

The automated reply I got from his mail account stated:

"Due to change in processes, my contract with Bradbury & Co has now come to an end

To improve efficiency and response times, Bradbury & Co have now introduced automated response systems upon the main website www.bradburyandco.com

Therefore this e-mail address is no longer capable of engaging in indidividual corresspondence

Please direct your enquiry to info@bradburyandco.com"

This is a rather sudden departure from Bradbury. Anyone would think that he didn't realise what he was getting himself into and didn't want to be involved in it all with the speed in which he left as he hasn't been there that long.

Has anyone had any contact from Bradbury in the last day or two?

J.

Titanic
5th November 2009, 15:16
If you've been monitoring the Sunday Solutions / Bradbury and Co thread on moneysavingexpert.com, you will have noticed an interesting post today from Zotter:

"There is now an online section on their website where you can approve your draft accounts (or not)."

I've looked at Bradbury's website today (www.bradburyandco.com), and noticed the new "Accounts" page, which seems to be a form for automatically approving the accounts, which from the sounds of it they are in the process of sending to at least some people.

I'm not holding my breath but I hope that I also receive some accounts in the post, at some point before Jan 2010!

Titanic
5th November 2009, 15:50
davehh if you don't have anything tangible to contribute please don't pollute this forum with your taunts and rather unhelpful "advice". For all of us affected this is a very serious issue and this forum and others like it are the main resource we've got in piecing together the truth.

To biggles_1: The sudden departure of Chris Collins doesn't surprise me. Many people employed by Bradbury seem to be on very short contracts, and some of these 'consultants' like Richard Jellard were only hired by Bradbury in order to sort out this mess, or so they say. Amongst other sudden departures that have surprised me are:

Chris Pape - he was an accountant working on S.A tax returns at one point, much like Ewan Hayes and Andrew McIntyre.

Sergio Romagnoli - was another accountant who quit (or was fired) last year. Apparently he threatened Andrew Nyiri by suggesting he would go to the HMRC with all sorts of internal documents which, according to him, would implicate Bradbury and Co in a whole bunch of illegal activity. Andrew Nyiri counter-threatened by saying something like 'if you go to the HMRC I'll sue you for stealing company documents' or something like that. So Sergio who seemed to be a very knowledgeable and decent chap left Bradbury's employment and is no doubt working for a more reputable and ethical accountancy now. Sergio if you're reading this please get in touch... (!) It would be great to hear what you've got to say...

Mike1004
5th November 2009, 17:09
Hi All,

I'm in the same boat as the rest of you, was transferred to Von Essen earlier in this year.

Decided this week to request the money held by Von Essen to pay my 2009/2010 tax be returned to me immediately. To their credit it was paid into my account the same day! Can't afford to be caught a second time!

danvito
6th November 2009, 01:14
Hi guys,

I have only just stumbled across this forum after having been messed around by Bradbury for over a year now. I was a partner in HEYDER TREVINO for three months of the 07/08 financial year. After many emails exchanged with a - then helpful - Andrew McIntyre, I was given my Draft Accounts on Sept 17 this year with no explanation of the values. I had been charged 4k in fees for the 08/09 financial year, when I had clearly left the partnership in 2007. Communication with Andrew dried up after receiving the draft, and after dozens of emails trying to get an explanation of the accounts I was handed over to a Claire Palmer (tax@bradburyandco), who was again very responsive and apologetic, giving me updates daily (no content, but at least there was some level of communication there). Then yesterday her and Andrew's email addresses bounced.

This prompted me to go searching. Now I have read through this thread I can see I am not the only one. Relieving on one hand, but angers me further on the other.

As it stands, "I" owe HMRC around 1.5k and Bradbury is withholding around 3.5k for me. According the first draft accounts which I am arguing, they are trying to charge me 6.5k in fees over the two financial years which means they expect me to pay them a further 3k and foot the bill with HMRC myself. Screw that! They can sue me if they want a penny out of me. Chicken feed compared to your liabilities it seems, but the hours I have wasted, and the frustration I have felt trying to deal with this situation, has left me with a deep seeded desire to get my money back out of principle.

I will continue to monitor this forum and will be more than happy to get involved in any class action against this two bit operation. Who's going to lead the charge here?

On a separate note, what's the general concencus here? Pay HMRC out of my own pocket to get them off my back? I called them up a few weeks trying to explain the situation and they didn't want to know, saying it was up to me to pay myself and they didn't care that there was this outstanding situation with my accountants. I asked for some legal advice, or at least where I could find it, and they point blank refused to even comment in the slightest. I was really quite shocked with the callous response. I am sure there are plenty of people in my/our situation that just don't know where to turn. I know I am ultimately responsible, but it should be obvious to them that there is an issue given the interim payment made earlier this year was by Bradbury. If Bradbury do come through and resolve the disputed accounts, and actually release the funds to HMRC, would I be able to claim that back from HMRC if I pay my liability out of my own pocket today?

Cheers
Danvito

MarthaT
6th November 2009, 08:26
does anyone know - is this group still in use - sundaybradbury@yahoo.co.uk

I did mail my details off, but had no response? Is there any co-ordinated group of us on this now as there seems so many of us affected by this situation.

FICO
6th November 2009, 09:13
On a separate note, what's the general concencus here? Pay HMRC out of my own pocket to get them off my back?

Hi Danvito,

I recently paid off my outstanding tax bill to get the HMRC off my back and to make sure that I did not continue to accrue interest and late payment fees plus I did not want a black mark against my HMRC account. If anything gets sorted out I should get this back but I am not expecting anything to be honest!

I have contacted a few action groups but have not got very far, I am awaiting a legal update from one group.

fico

davehh
6th November 2009, 10:45
Sorry my comments annoyed you, I was actually trying to point you in the right direction without giving you the specifics.

4 years ago, I was approached by a group of contractors who were pretty much in exactly the same situation you guys are in now. They were getting nowhere fast and asked for my help.

Up intil that point, I knew very little about the contracting sector. I spent a few months learning about the contracting industry and the options open to contractors. I then researched the Sunday solution (not that it was called that at the time), the brains behind it and the reasons why the company was so successful and eventaully found enough information to help them get a large majority of their money back. Obviously I made a nice profit from helping.

A few months later I was chatting to a contractor at a party and it became apparent he was using a similar soultion. Once again i did some research and realised it was the same brians, except with better solution and better financial backing. I spoke to a few people and realised if the solution went sour again, I could make a lot of money helping contractors fight these guys.

So over the last few years, I've been watching them carefully. I take my hat off to them. What they are doing now is far more sophisticated than it was even 2 years ago.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, with all my new found knowledge and expertise, I thought it would be a good idea to start networking. So 2 years ago I joined Contractor UK as I wanted to help educate contractors about the pro's and cons of contracting. I thought my experience and knowledge would benefit you all. (it also gave me an opportunity to network and maybe pick up a few new clients!) However, I found the CUK members to be very narrow minded. There seemed to be a few ring-leaders who knew it all (they don't by the way) and the whole site survived on the foundations of what they were saying. After a while, I realised contributing to the site was a complete waste of time. Most of the contractors only heard what they wanted to and were happy to go along with the rumours or theories of certain members. At one time, I even got accused of not knowing what I was talking about because my post count was low! I decided to simply walk away.

Since then, while the members of CUK have been sleeping, the brians behind Sunday have not. As i said in a previous post, they are probably around 3 years ahead of you at the moment. Obviously, they are not moving the Sunday brand forward, but their other business entities are going from strength to strength. They are now so big, that you would of all heard about them, just not realised who they are.

My work has lead me away from the Contracting sector, so I am not really too interested in helping contractors fight for their money anymore. Add that to the fact that i have no intentions of supporting CUK, I planned to stay well away from this site. However, following this thread closely, I noticed that a lot of newbie's were joining this site becuase they have lost money and they didn't deserve to be penalised because of the actions of other members. I having sympathy with those of you who have lost out and considering most of you are new to CUK I wanted to give you a few hints to point you in the right direction.

I've obviously gone about this the wrong way, and for that I appologise.

So, as requested, let me start spelling this out for you in plain English. But before i do, you need to ask yourselves a question. Do you want these people punished or do you want your money back?

If you want them punished, call the police and contact Companies House. If you want your money back I suggest you take my advice and start heading in a different direction.

You need to take them on at their own game. The brians behind Sunday (and all the other compaines linked to it) are intelegent people. From what I can make out, they spend their lives finding ways to resolve things that get in their way. Their attitude is never say never. Most of the suggestions on this forum seem to be around contacting Companies house or calling the police. That's ok, but i would suggest these guys have already thought about that - probably a few years ago and acted accordingly. What this means is they've probably already done enough to be able to justify their actions to the police - after all, this would of been discussed years ago when they thought up the solution in the first place.

Therefore you need to take a slightly differnt approach. What I'm suggesting is, if you want your money back you need to go the extra mile and the only way you can do that is to start thinking laterally. From my experience contractors struggle with this, so let me give you (like I've already been trying to do) a few more hints.

Start registering your details with recruitment databases.
From my experience, most of my contractors signed up to use the soultion after they were cold called. Was this the same for you? If so, you need to try and get them to call you again. I'm unsure where they got the information from, but I'm guessing it was either recruitment agencies or jobsites etc. Get your name out there. Make up a few fictitious characters and start posting cv's on websites and start contacting recruitment agencies. If each of you come up with 4 fictitious people sooner or later one of you will get a call from a company with a different name trying to sell a similar solution. Would that be a coincidence, or is it the same company under a different name?

Visit the Tramshed.
The last time I wanted to track them down i went to the tramshed in Bath. They weren't there, but there was a pub next door. I went into the pub, made a few enquires and was soon given their new address. It only took me 20 minutes to find out the information! (Since then, they have moved again btw). Surely a few of you are local to the area. Why don't you try the same thing?

Look at the information Schnizzle is giving you.
He has compiled a list of companies Nyiri is a director of. From my experience he is not the brains behind the scheme. However he's all you got at the moment, so why don't you divide the list up and each visit a company on the list. Half the ones are no longer in business, but that doesn't mean they no longer exist - it just means they are no longer trading under that name. When I was looking at this a few years ago, my investigations lead me to a few companies which (at the time) I believed were nothing to do wtih the case. Since reading Schnizzle's post and seeing the same names pop up, I now realise they are probably linked into the bigger picture on some level or other.

Even if these enquires fail to be fruitful, if you ask the right questions I'm sure a few old employee's will be hanging around and willing to spill the beans. The combined effort of doing all these things should give you a few leads. Remember - this company want to make money, this means they are looking for you more than you are looking for them!

If you all gang together and plan this properly, i think you have around a weeks work.

Either take my advice or leave it, but at the moment your progress seems painfully slow. Surely, one of you has the ability to do more than contact the police, HMRC or Companies House?

I don't think I can put it any more suttley than that. If you want any more help, hints or specific information you will have to start paying for my services.

Lewis
6th November 2009, 12:37
It's like a mystery novel. So are you some kind of Magnum PI?

The $100m question in my head is, having found them 4 years ago, how did you get your client's money back?!

biggles_1
6th November 2009, 14:16
Davehh - Thanks for the response.

I apologise for being so sceptical.

To be honest I am just glad to be (hopefully assuming they file the accounts!) pretty much out the other side of this all now so I will probably not chase this up any further. Their ludicrous fees are a learning experience and hopefully I will be able to chase down the £350 they also owe me for fines and interest from HMRC. If not then I can add that to the education it has been.

I have learnt a lot more about Nyiri, Summers and other directors of all of the companies involved than I ever wanted to know. Some of their home numbers by the way are freely available on the web if you look carefully enough.

Davehh - Sorry if I sounded abrupt earlier in the thread. I initially thought you were an employee or director of one of these firms trying to rile us.

Good luck to all in getting their money back. I will keep an eye on this thread and hope it all gets sorted.

teledon
7th November 2009, 01:52
Does anyone know if the new Bradbury Address at 16 Shearway Business Park Folkestone Kent CT19 4RK is occupied by workers of Bradbury or is it purely a Secretariat Service?

In addition has anyone during the last 2 weeks received any partnership accounts and subsequently received retained mo

Biggles I have lookedk for the telephone numbers of the people you mentioned but have hit a brick wall. Any assistance you can provide is much appreciated.

Thank you

zorionak
7th November 2009, 09:04
Is Bradbury's new address valid? Am filing a small claims action to recover funds owing. Am using the HMRC online service Moneyclaim and when prompted for the address of Bradbury I enter the new address (16 shearway business park, Folkestone, kent CT14 9RK) and the lookup facility to validate this does not recognise it!!

Any ideas?

Microtots'r'us
7th November 2009, 12:08
This seems to be on everyone's mind.
31st January 2010 looms?

As partners
1 every contractor sent their timesheet to the "billing co" ( another cost!)
2 the Billing co (Willowmeade Reed Morgan etc) raised invoice on behalf of the appropriate partnership to the Agency whch then paid the funds into the partnership bank account.
3. These accounts are meant to be operated by the acting partner or the appointed "partnership administrator". The favourite for this was "richard jellard" who may or may not be a real person whom failing someone else . I have seen Darren Green but Mr Green seems to like staying in the background. Andrew Nyiri was in Switzerland etc a lot so he was not conveniently located. It must be someone who is in Bath or Bristol mostly.
4 The accounts set up were not designated to the bank as being "clients accounts " so that whoever was operating them could just treat them like a normal business account. In normal terms where partners tax is retained or reserved it should be in a separate deposit account or at least a n other place from the partnership's operating costs account . It does not appear to have been done.
5 The forecasts that were done for the partners were hopelessly optimistic given the commissions and salaries costs that salesmen at Sunday Solutions, were being paid and the overheads. The money kept them afloat but then the tax bills had to be paid in January 2009. It is possible that money was being moved without the knowledge of the partners by the "partnership administrators" for purposes that may or may not have been proper. Certainly when it came to many partners tax being due to be paid for 2007-08 and 2008-09 instalments Bradbury had great difficulty getting our money out of these Barclays Bank Stoke Gifford accounts. So where was it and who moved it? Could the Sunday Solutions model have been an inadvertant homage to Mr B Madoff?
6 So the partnership costs have had to be looked at and our bold promoters must have said that these individuals have no idea lets give them an extra charge . So they got a man to work out a formula and plan a scheme to soak out of the partners more costs to cover their overrun for 2007-08.
7. Then they amended the partnership expenses regarding fees for 2007-08 accroos the partnerships but they did not tell any of the partners what they had done or issue amended partnership accounts for 2007-08.
8 Some people got their 2007-8 tax returns amended by Bradbury & Co. But Mr Nyiri would not let the people making the adjustments say how this was achieved. Nobody received amended profit statements for 2007-8 so far as is known.
9 It says in the partnership deeds that I have seen ( several both TSSPS and named partnerships) that the accounts are to be audited for each partnership. Who has a copy of the audited 2007-08 accounts for any partnership? Who audited them? Nyiri is not authorised nor is Bradbury.
Did the 2008 accounts get reissued after the increase in fees?
Only the partners in each partnership can tell. Have HMRC received amended partnership tax returns for 2007-08
10. Has anyone seen a set of partnership accounts for the whole partnership that they were in for 2008-09? Will they? All that Bradbury are offering us for 2008-09 is a very summarised statement of your own income and the expenses. How do we know what they produce is correct? They won't talk to us so how do we know?
11 Has anyone got a breakdown of their fees and reasons why they are so much more than the forecasts issued? All the more reason to get a real professional qualified accountant looking at this I would suggest.
12 If you did not get sold professional insurance for possible tax enquiries i suggest that you look into this . Sunday Solutions arrangements are bound to have attracted HMRC's interest even before contractors stated to make complaints. Unfortunately (we) all joined these schemes voluntarily so can't complain about being forced into it. The choice was made.
13 As someone else said on this board elsewhere these guys move on . So it went from Sunday with TSSP and the funny names now Mark Willis who was at Close resources.. These people have written to current contractors say they are outsourcing the tax returns for current contractors to an unnamed firm of chartered accountants. They have not said who these people are or why any one should expect them to provide a better service? What they also don't say is that it should be each partner's decision how and why s/he arranges her/his tax affairs. each person should be allowed to choose how he gets that service as he does with the resrt of his/her business.
14. The only useful bit is that Mr Nyiri did write to partners a loooonnng time ago in February saying that any interest surcharges and penalties charged by HMRC caused by Sunday or Bradbury would be paid for by them.
15 if someone or some persons not appointed by the partners was operating the business bank accounts at stoke Gifford Barclays is that not a possible cause that the Bank has allowed the partners in many partnerships to be prejudiced..............

now then! where's me money then?

HC1
7th November 2009, 13:52
Are you for hire?
If so please do contact me.

Fred Bloggs
7th November 2009, 17:18
Would you really hire someone who can't spell? Be careful, it is possible to throw good money after bad. Wouldn't it be ironic if you were going to give those people even more money? Is that scenario a possibility? Anyone can post anything on the web can't they?

I really wonder about this. I'm just glad I haven't been gullible enough to go with one of these schemes.

danvito
10th November 2009, 12:13
Hi guys,

I called HMRC again today with a clearer mind now I am aware of the greater picture (a blurry awareness, but a better understanding of how big the picture is).

The only bits of advice they could give me, other than pay up, was to contact the police. I asked which department... "Umm... fraud maybe?" ... which county/town ... "Umm... dunno".

Has anyone actually contacted the police yet? If so, do we have a contact name, department, case number or anything to save repeating the story again and again?

They also suggested I contact The Institute of Chartered Accountants. Anyone think this is worth the effort?

Had anyone had their tax payments settled by Bradbury recently? How were you contacted with the accounts - email or post?

On advice from HMRC, I have had Bradbury removed as my representatives at HRMC. Apparently this means they can still submit payments for me, but cannot access any information and any overpayment will not be returned to them. Maybe worth everyone doing that to prevent further fraud, if this is what it is.

Cheers
Danvito

Mike1004
10th November 2009, 15:26
The contact I was given for the police by Trading Standards was:

DC Alastair Quinn (Avon and Somerset Police)

email: removed for privacy. sp

Zotter
10th November 2009, 15:37
When is the last time any of you had any correspondence with Bradbury?

danvito
10th November 2009, 22:37
When is the last time any of you had any correspondence with Bradbury?

Last I heard was Oct 22 @ 3:13am (Australian time, so minus about 10 hours from that). Needless to day I didn't get the promised "fully reconciled accounts ... by lunch-time on Friday".

Up to this point I had an email from Claire on a daily basis advising I was her top priority and she wasn't going to let the ball drop. Oops. She did.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Bradbury and Co <Tax@bradburyandco.com> wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I thought you would like to know we have actually made some fairly good
> progress today in ensuring your whole partnership reconciles, we are hoping
> to complete your partnership tomorrow morning before getting it signed off
> in the afternoon, I would therefore hope to have your fully reconciled
> accounts to you by lunch-time on Friday.
>
> I am sorry this whole process has taken so long, I will send you any
> additional updates as I am aware of them.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Claire
>