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voron
12th October 2005, 19:34
Half-time: 1-1.

Decent game so far. England actually showing some passion, desire and flair. Dominated the half, created some good chances and finally scored. Great! Then they decide to go back to sleep mode and Poland score :tantrum:

voron
13th October 2005, 07:43
Got the victory. Fully deserved. England put in a decent performance, and certainly a marked improvement on recent games.

Dare we be optimistic about the WC?

BoredBloke
13th October 2005, 07:54
Swallows and summers!

The team selection was forced on SGE as there was no Beckham or Gerrard available. Had both been available then I suspect both would have played and produced the normal ineffective display we have got used to in recent games. Personally I thought the team looked quite balanced last night. Wright Phillips did more work down the right hand side in the one game than Beckham has done in 5. Why did he bring on Crouch ahead of the inform strikers on the bench though? And why when you have a left footed winger on the bench do you persist with playing Joe Cole on the left. Out of all of them I though Cole played the worst as he gave the ball away too cheaply and too often - but I'm being picky now!

voron
13th October 2005, 08:00
Quite right, it was only one game and I wouldn't call it a great performance, but it was an improvement and we showed more desire.

I think the match proved that the Lampard/Gerrard pairing in central midfield doesn't work. Lampard had a good game, scored, and might even have had a couple more with a bit of luck. King played well in the anchor position. If Gerrard is to be played with Lampard, I think Gerrard should take the anchor role. Great player, but for my money Lampard has the edge and certainly scores more goals.

I like Joe Cole and think he had a good game. He's not a winger and players better in the centre, but he puts in some good balls and offers some flair and creativity, which, Rooney aside, is not something England has in great abundance.

BlasterBates
13th October 2005, 08:03
I'm now optimistic that England will scrape through the first round of the tournament next year.

Mailman
13th October 2005, 09:15
Got the victory. Fully deserved. England put in a decent performance, and certainly a marked improvement on recent games.

Dare we be optimistic about the WC?

You know its only going to end in tears mate...dont set yourself up with expectations the crappy england soccar team cant deliver on :rollin:

Mailman

voron
13th October 2005, 10:56
I'm now optimistic that England will scrape through the first round of the tournament next year.
A lot of it comes down to the luck of the draw. We were very unlucky to meet Argentina in the second round of the 98 WC. Germany had a lucky draw and got to the final of the last one, despite having a dreadful team.

Francko
13th October 2005, 10:57
A lot of it comes down to the luck of the draw. We were very unlucky to meet Argentina in the second round of the 98 WC. Germany had a lucky draw and got to the final of the last one, despite having a dreadful team.

I thought you were a comrade and supported Russia, which miserably failed yesterday with Slovakia. Couldn't score a goal.

voron
13th October 2005, 11:03
I thought you were a comrade and supported Russia, which miserably failed yesterday with Slovakia. Couldn't score a goal.
Of course I cheer on Rodina. Russia produces good footballers, but the side doesn't play with any national pride or determination, which is shameful.

Now Ice Hockey is another question. There is a God, and his name is Federov...
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wendigo100
14th October 2005, 09:25
Is that the Stanley Cup? Big bugger isn't it.

wendigo100
14th October 2005, 10:53
About Ledley King - Most fans and press didn't understand the holding role until recently. The trouble is, the job is messy and unspectacular.

Batty did it well for years but just got slated by press and fans (not by players and coaches) for being "negative", i.e. not dribbling past players, playing killer balls into the opponent's box, or firing the odd goal into the top corner from 20 yards.

I remember when Makele first played over here, even Chelsea fans didn't rate him, and were bemused by Mourinho saying how great he was until about the time Alan Hansen pointed out on TV exactly what he did.

Gerrard used to be a right-back. Maybe the answer is to get him back there and keep playing Ledley King in midfield. Or Parker, Carrick or Hargreaves. But definitely not Beckham, he's not good enough at it.

steve'O
14th October 2005, 10:55
England now have 4 Chelsea players inthe starting lineup....About time they started playing the same way

WageSlave
14th October 2005, 15:07
I remember when Makele first played over here, even Chelsea fans didn't rate him, and were bemused by Mourinho saying how great he was until about the time Alan Hansen pointed out on TV exactly what he did.
To be fair, I don't think Makelele had a great first season. But that was down to Ranieri's weird tactics.

I remember long threads on the Chelsea forums about how we were all going to protest and boo Mourinho. Ranieri is great, he's our wonderful manager. Hindsight is wonderful :o

steve'O
14th October 2005, 15:12
Is that the Stanley Cup? Big bugger isn't it.


Typical Women eh! don't look at the bloke just what he's holding therfore it must be large!!! the guy is a 3 foot midget, or my names not Fish, Dick Fish (Sorry Clownio)

shaunbhoy
14th October 2005, 15:19
I remember long threads on the Chelsea forums about how we were all going to protest and boo Mourinho.

That'd be the Chelsea fans that know feck all about football then. Mourinho is a class above Ranieri and has been Chelsea's most important signing.
Getting back to England, they are going to Germany with their strongest squad in years and ought to have a good chance of returning with the trophy. For all those that say you can't play both Gerrard AND Lampard, that is a load of bollox. Those two along with Rooney, Terry, and possibly Beckham are the only top quality players they have although Owen is fairly useful too. It would be sheer folly to omit any of those 4 from a starting line-up if fit and available. The problem, and it is Erikkson's one, is to ensure you get the best out of those guys. That is something he struggles with at times. He better get it right between now and next summer or the knives will really be out. That said, I would not lose any sleep over them spectacularly underachieving again, nor would I be greatly surprised.

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stackpole
14th October 2005, 22:28
shaunbhoy, I'd add Ashley Cole, Sol Campbell and possibly Michael Owen. That's a good bunch of players - shame about the team. They'll be better next summer though.

As for playing Lampard and Gerrard together - it isn't as easy as you think. They are after one position. Suppose they were both right wingers, or goalies. You wouldn't try to play them both then.

Sven has to bite the bullet and drop one of them. Has Makele got an English grandmother?

shaunbhoy
17th October 2005, 10:16
If Brazil had 2 Peles you can bet your @rse their manager would have found a way of getting the best of both stack. Nice problem to have I suppose, I'd play Gerrard wide on either left or right and Lampard in behind the strikers myself.

wendigo100
17th October 2005, 13:16
If Brazil had 2 Peles you can bet your @rse their manager would have found a way of getting the best of both stack. Nice problem to have I suppose, I'd play Gerrard wide on either left or right and Lampard in behind the strikers myself.
I thought Gerrard would make a good marauding right-back, but too many ducks have to line up for that to happen - Neville and Beckham dropped, Gerrard returns to right-back at Liverpool. All pretty unlikely.

He would be no better than Scholes or Joe Cole on the left. I'd rather Wayne Bridge was out there.