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    Loved this article.

    The whole privacy thing is the main reason I will vote for anyone that'll get labour out of power. Can#t believe we supposedly life in a free, demorcratic state yet they get this kind of sh it through, without ever asking us if it's what we want.:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle6036286.ece

    Jacqui gets a taste of her ugly snooper state
    Jenni Russell

    There is a marvellous irony about the fact that, last week, MPs discovered just how embarrassing it can be when private information reaches the public domain. First up was the home secretary, pale-faced and tight-lipped after the revelation that her husband had been renting pornographic films at our expense. Overnight, Jacqui Smith had lost dignity and everyone felt free to comment and jeer about the couple’s attractiveness, sex lives and the state of their marriage. The rest of her expense claims provided more material for outrage or mockery; whether she was claiming for an extremely expensive sink (£550) or an extremely cheap bath plug (88p), it was hard to avoid the impression of a senior politician milking the taxpayer in an unseemly and avaricious fashion and looking considerably diminished as a result.

    Some MPs privately found her discomfort funny, but the next day the rest of the Commons was faced with the possibility that embarrassing claims of their own were about to surface. It turned out that the details of every MP’s expenses had been copied and leaked and were on sale to the media for an asking price of £300,000. The claims had been due to be published officially in the summer, but only after every member had had the chance to delete any details they wished to keep private. The bad news was that both the original and edited versions were now on sale, potentially allowing the rest of us to discover just what nervous MPs didn’t want us to know.

    Parliament’s indignation at this breach of security would have been funny if it weren’t for the fact that these are the very people who have voted for massive state intrusion on, and information gathering about, the rest of us.

    All along we have been assured that we needn’t worry about leaks and that the security of our information won’t be compromised. Last week we saw that the state can’t even guarantee the privacy of a few hundred lawmakers, let alone their 60m constituents.

    The naivety of the Speaker’s reaction was petrifying. He told the Commons that he was deeply disappointed by the leaks. They should not have happened. The outside contractor that had processed the claims had been security vetted and had been employed “in good faith”.

    Reassured? Me neither. But that naive approach is characteristic of the state’s approach to our data. It doesn’t understand that it is impossible to guarantee the security of the massive and comprehensive databases it is assembling on us. Files will be lost or hacked into but, above all, individuals will decide to snoop or leak. And that leaves us extremely vulnerable.

    Our actions are about to be tracked and analysed from nursery to death. Forget the idea of growing out of your past; the state will never let you leave it behind. Schools will record not just your education, but also your family background and your behaviour. Fights in the playground, late attendance, trouble with your mother, an alcoholic father; it will all be there.

    From next year, if social services think you need help, every detail of their value judgments about you and your family will be held online. All of this will be cross-referenced to ContactPoint, the child database, which will link to every other service a child might use, from drug advisers to psychiatrists to probation officers. No child can escape being listed on it and a third of a million people will be able to access it.

    A middle-aged school governor and senior youth worker, who I know, is left reeling by this development. She says she would never have had her respectable career if the drugs, lies and stealing of her troubled teenage years had been recorded to haunt and possibly expose her.

    Every potentially humiliating detail of our adult lives is going to be mapped, too. The National Health Service database will allow hundreds of thousands of people to view our medical records, with anything from abortions, depression, sexual diseases or long-term illness available to view. The new communications database, accessible to all police forces and 510 public bodies, will show that a judge watches porn websites, that a banker is researching suicide, or that a celebrity is continuously texting a woman who isn’t his wife. Meanwhile, the police want the right to hold all their records on us until we are 100 years old.

    None of this information will be safe. Already ContactPoint is accidentally revealing the details of 55,000 vulnerable children, whose contacts are supposedly secret, every time the database is updated. At HM Revenue & Customs, more than 600 staff have been dismissed or disciplined in three years for snooping and one woman has been jailed for twice revealing the details of a battered woman’s whereabouts to her ex-husband. Local authority staff in 30 areas have been making unauthorised searches on the Department for Work and Pensions database, curious about the employment and income details of people they know. As the databases expand, the problem will only get worse.

    If we do nothing about this expansion of state interference then we – like Smith – will have to live in the fear that at any time the gap between our public and private selves will be mortifyingly exposed.
    Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar?? - cailin maith

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    #2
    You don't hear David Cameron speaking up against it do you?

    They're all as bad as one another.

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      #3
      Watch what you say here!

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        #4
        Originally posted by cybersquatter View Post
        You don't hear David Cameron speaking up against it do you?

        They're all as bad as one another.
        I dunno, David Davis spoke up, never liked the bloke until that point, but respect him for his stand.

        Live in hope, but I fear you're right - it's very easy to lose our liberties these days it seems like, and easy to push through when they say terror - but in 20 years time these things are still in the law books, and they get abused, or our details get leaked (I mean ffs, how many more databases have to appear in the public domani before they realise they are incapable of securing them?).
        Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar?? - cailin maith

        Any forum is a collection of assorted weirdos, cranks and pervs - Board Game Geek

        That will be a simply fab time to catch up for a beer. - Tay

        Have you ever seen somebody lick the chutney spoon in an Indian Restaurant and put it back ? - Cyberghoul

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          #5
          Originally posted by snaw View Post
          ..... our details get leaked (I mean ffs, how many more databases have to appear in the public domani before they realise they are incapable of securing them?).
          The naivety of the Speaker’s reaction was petrifying. He told the Commons that he was deeply disappointed by the leaks. They should not have happened. The outside contractor that had processed the claims had been security vetted and had been employed “in good faith”.

          Reassured? Me neither.
          Our rulers have faith in themselves. All is for the best.

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            #6
            To be honest your NHS details will be safer on a central computer system. If I really wanted anyones medical details I would just ask you to recommend a doctors surgery then break in to the first one you tell me at night or easier say I am a a student and apply for a summer job 'doing the records', nearly every surgery has temp admin staff doing paper work.

            99% of this countries population has their medical details 1 window pain from a street.

            I do however admit I have doubts that they can write software correctly.

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              #7
              Originally posted by minestrone View Post
              To be honest your NHS details will be safer on a central computer system. If I really wanted anyones medical details I would just ask you to recommend a doctors surgery then break in to the first one you tell me at night or easier say I am a a student and apply for a summer job 'doing the records', nearly every surgery has temp admin staff doing paper work.

              99% of this countries population has their medical details 1 window pain from a street.

              I do however admit I have doubts that they can write software correctly.
              I did a short stint at a company who write software for the NHS as part of this National Database gravy train, and I can assure you, your records are a hell of a lot safer behind a thin piece of glass than how these cowboys dealt with them!!!
              If at first you don't succeed... skydiving is not for you!

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                #8
                Originally posted by minestrone View Post
                To be honest your NHS details will be safer on a central computer system. If I really wanted anyones medical details I would just ask you to recommend a doctors surgery then break in to the first one you tell me at night or easier say I am a a student and apply for a summer job 'doing the records', nearly every surgery has temp admin staff doing paper work.

                99% of this countries population has their medical details 1 window pain from a street.

                I do however admit I have doubts that they can write software correctly.
                pane

                Indeed and there have been many cases of medical records being stolen, lost or even hard copies dumped, but they're limited to a few hundred people and not 60 million.

                The issues I'm sure you and everyone else on this board have with these massive databases are is that they simply can't be reasonably secure yet accessible at so many locations by so many people.
                As they're tied together and cross referenced the exposure we suffer rises exponentially as does the capacity for abuse.

                It really does look like certain people regard George Orwells most famous book as an instruction manual rather than a warning and I'm not happy about it.

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                  #9
                  I read that article too, in yesterdays Times -

                  It's a bit scary!
                  Bazza gets caught
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheBigD View Post
                    I did a short stint at a company who write software for the NHS as part of this National Database gravy train, and I can assure you, your records are a hell of a lot safer behind a thin piece of glass than how these cowboys dealt with them!!!
                    I worked on the PNC and SCRO system for a long time, there is not one point where someone got into it and has used the information against any person.

                    The comment..

                    A middle-aged school governor and senior youth worker, who I know, is left reeling by this development. She says she would never have had her respectable career if the drugs, lies and stealing of her troubled teenage years had been recorded to haunt and possibly expose her.
                    ..her police details are already on a computer probably have been for 30 years. If she works with Children then any prospective employers will have full disclosure rights to this information for any job and she will know this.

                    If I am interviewing for a youth worker what route would I try to get her police record? Get her to fill in a disclosure form and send if off or try to hack a central server?

                    I doubt this "middle-aged school governor and senior youth worker" exists.

                    It's just fear mongering aimed at concerned people who have half a brain.

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