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Troll
3rd June 2009, 10:40
Poll to follow

expat
3rd June 2009, 10:43
Poll to followTomorrow?

Menelaus
3rd June 2009, 10:46
I'd love to see the Tories do well (not because I'm a Tory, I'm a LibDem) but because of the bloody nose it'd give TCB (That **** Brown).

Unfortunately, I think that the two biggest winners from the European elections will be UKIP (with the astonishingly irritating Nigel Farage) and the BNP, appealling to the lowest common denominator amongst the chav classes.

TheRefactornator
3rd June 2009, 10:55
Come on you freakin' bible bashing, violent, mass murdering, thieving, oath breaking gits! You get my vote.

Pondlife
3rd June 2009, 10:59
Lib Dems I reckon. At the risk of a flaming, Clegg and Cable are the only ones coming out of this with any credbility. More through others' inadequacies.

The Lone Gunman
3rd June 2009, 11:02
Ou est L'Andyw Euroman option?

TimberWolf
3rd June 2009, 11:03
Interesting voting on here so far - no one voting for the big three.

DodgyAgent
3rd June 2009, 11:21
Libertas for me :yay::yay:

thunderlizard
3rd June 2009, 11:24
A knackered and dirty flatbed truck has just gone past my window. It looked like something out of The Beverley Hillbillies. A woman stuck her head out of the side and barked "Vote Libertas" through a crackly loudspeaker. I don't think I shall be doing but I admire their redneck gumption.

DodgyAgent
3rd June 2009, 11:35
A knackered and dirty flatbed truck has just gone past my window. It looked like something out of The Beverley Hillbillies. A woman stuck her head out of the side and barked "Vote Libertas" through a crackly loudspeaker. I don't think I shall be doing but I admire their redneck gumption.

A New truck will be top of the expenses claims list for them. :laugh

dang65
3rd June 2009, 12:25
Interesting voting on here so far - no one voting for the big three.
Trouble is, the question is "Who'll come out the winner?" not "Who will you vote for?"

I really hope the Lib Dems will come out well, but the grim fact seems to be that many, many people are going to "protest" by voting for these hideous joke parties.

DodgyAgent
3rd June 2009, 12:47
Trouble is, the question is "Who'll come out the winner?" not "Who will you vote for?"

I really hope the Lib Dems will come out well, but the grim fact seems to be that many, many people are going to "protest" by voting for these hideous joke parties.

The problem with the lib dems (and at least they are honest about it) is that they are fully signed up to the status quo of the EU. This includes the acceptance of the Lisbon treaty, the assignment of ever increasing powers to the EU. They have no agenda to reform the CAP, or the existing constitution.

If the minor parties do well it because the mainstream parties have not only in the UK given way to full blown multiculturalism but also our democratic "inheritance", and that is an opportunity to make our distatste for their activities known without risking giving power to nutters with no track record of govt.. Whilst I am voting for libertas I would vote Tory in a general election as in "the devil you know"

dang65
3rd June 2009, 13:00
Well, personally, I adore the EU and will always vote for a pro-EU party.

Voting for these moronic amateurs to represent us in Europe is just a pointless waste of a vote. It won't send any message of protest to the main parties... it'll just show the voters to be manipulatable sheep who can basically be ignored as they're just having a tantrum.

DodgyAgent
3rd June 2009, 13:24
Well, personally, I adore the EU and will always vote for a pro-EU party.

Voting for these moronic amateurs to represent us in Europe is just a pointless waste of a vote. It won't send any message of protest to the main parties... it'll just show the voters to be manipulatable sheep who can basically be ignored as they're just having a tantrum.

I also like the EU. I dont however like the way it is run. I am not like a football supporter who adores his football club even if it is badly run or losing match after match, who will still say his club is the best in the world.
I tend to look at things with a little bit more detail.

Nor am I stupid enough to ignore history. I therefore understand the huge sacrifices made by so many of our ancestors to establish the system of government in this country (like it or loathe it) that makes the UK a better place to live than most of the rest of the planet.

This expenses scandal has shown how easy it is for a group of people to get carried away and abuse their power. The EU I am sure is far worse (as is probably any country), so sending a shot accross the bows of the status quo is no bad thing.

Voting liberal is a vote for a continuation of the existing status quo. At least the Torys want to change the way the EU is run, but their umbrella is too large for them to actually do anything about it.

expat
3rd June 2009, 16:39
I also like the EU. I dont however like the way it is run. I am not like a football supporter who adores his football club even if it is badly run or losing match after match, who will still say his club is the best in the world.
I tend to look at things with a little bit more detail.

Nor am I stupid enough to ignore history. I therefore understand the huge sacrifices made by so many of our ancestors to establish the system of government in this country (like it or loathe it) that makes the UK a better place to live than most of the rest of the planet.

This expenses scandal has shown how easy it is for a group of people to get carried away and abuse their power. The EU I am sure is far worse (as is probably any country), so sending a shot accross the bows of the status quo is no bad thing.

Voting liberal is a vote for a continuation of the existing status quo. At least the Torys want to change the way the EU is run, but their umbrella is too large for them to actually do anything about it.I agree with all of that. So, Libertas: pro-EU but wants it fixed.

Board Game Geek
3rd June 2009, 17:51
On the basis that DA is voting for Libertas, that's another party off the list for me.

If it's good enough for a reccon, that should send alarm bells ringing to everyone else :wink

DodgyAgent
3rd June 2009, 20:09
On the basis that DA is voting for Libertas, that's another party off the list for me.

If it's good enough for a reccon, that should send alarm bells ringing to everyone else :wink

:moon::moon::moon:

BrilloPad
3rd June 2009, 21:21
No andyw option?

VectraMan
3rd June 2009, 21:21
I predict a huge landslide victory for the non-voters. I don't think I'll vote: I honestly can't think of anyone I'd want to vote for.

expat
3rd June 2009, 22:41
On the basis that DA is voting for Libertas, that's another party off the list for me.

If it's good enough for a reccon, that should send alarm bells ringing to everyone else :winkThey stand for liberty, that'll put them off your list.

Board Game Geek
3rd June 2009, 23:20
Expat : They stand for liberty, that'll put them off your list.

How so ? Liberty from Europe is fine by me.

SantaClaus
4th June 2009, 07:18
I dont think everybody wants independence from Europe, I certainly dont. Independent currency, yes. Opting out of the Human Rights Act, no!

Take the BN66 case in the accounting and legal thread. It is only because of European Human Rights legislation that we stand a chance of not getting screwed by the govt.

This is not the first time the govt. have interfered with our civil liberties either.

So therefore, I will be voting for the party who are pro Europe and agree with Brussels keeping a tight leash on our government. :)

DodgyAgent
4th June 2009, 07:31
I dont think everybody wants independence from Europe, I certainly dont. Independent currency, yes. Opting out of the Human Rights Act, no!

Take the BN66 case in the accounting and legal thread. It is only because of European Human Rights legislation that we stand a chance of not getting screwed by the govt.

This is not the first time the govt. have interfered with our civil liberties either.

So therefore, I will be voting for the party who are pro Europe and agree with Brussels keeping a tight leash on our government. :)
And who keeps a tight leash on Brussels?

The Lone Gunman
4th June 2009, 07:32
I dont think everybody wants independence from Europe, I certainly dont. Independent currency, yes. Opting out of the Human Rights Act, no!

Take the BN66 case in the accounting and legal thread. It is only because of European Human Rights legislation that we stand a chance of not getting screwed by the govt.

This is not the first time the govt. have interfered with our civil liberties either.

So therefore, I will be voting for the party who are pro Europe and agree with Brussels keeping a tight leash on our government. :)I disagree with that.
I want political independance from Europe.
I think the old idea of a Common Market is what I want to see.

Caveat: If all members of the European Union can be shown to be working for the common good instead of for benefits to their individual states (even regions) then I might change my mind.

lilelvis2000
4th June 2009, 10:05
The BNP will say they did "best" because they will have elected some MEPs..overall I think UKIP will make the most gains. Both use some pretty startling "facts" during their campaigns. I myself wouldn't touch either with a 10ft. pole.

What scared me the most during this campaign was when the BNP came round and dropped off one of their pack of lies leaflet at my wife's office - my wife is an immigration lawyer. And then watching out the window as people were taking leaflets off the BNP canvessers...You know you should move from a town the moment you see that!

PM-Junkie
4th June 2009, 10:26
Labour will get slaughtered, and on Sunday/Monday someone from the cabinet (if there's anyone left) will be wheeled out in front of the cameras to say it's because of the recession and the expenses fiasco, and that they are "focusing on the important task at hand" because they are "the only ones who can".

They'll then claim that the public has sent them a clear message that they need to pay close attention to it, or some other mealy-mouthed phrase. And then completely ignore it and carry on their own sweet way...

Cyberman
4th June 2009, 10:45
Europe should just be a trading bloc, not a federal government with its ever increasing bureacracy and unaffordable costs of 55 Billion a year for the UK. Thus I am pro UKIP for this election and Tory in the long-run because at least they are for a slimmer, cheaper and more democratic Europe. :smokin

Troll
4th June 2009, 11:04
What scared me the most during this campaign was when the BNP came round and dropped off one of their pack of lies leaflet at my wife's office - my wife is an immigration lawyer. And then watching out the window as people were taking leaflets off the BNP canvessers...You know you should move from a town the moment you see that!That effect is not limited to individual towns or geographic boundaries, and I have had conversations with people who I would classify as traditional rock solid Labour voters (and have benefited by Labour) now being quite open about their intent to vote BNP.
I seem to recall from past postings you or your partner may be of ethnic origin-If the support for the BNP actually translates to real votes, and they are successful in the Euro elections - would that make you more or less likely to consider moving? - and how would you feel if that support was transferred to a General election?

lilelvis2000
4th June 2009, 11:45
That effect is not limited to individual towns or geographic boundaries, and I have had conversations with people who I would classify as traditional rock solid Labour voters (and have benefited by Labour) now being quite open about their intent to vote BNP.
I seem to recall from past postings you or your partner may be of ethnic origin-If the support for the BNP actually translates to real votes, and they are successful in the Euro elections - would that make you more or less likely to consider moving? - and how would you feel if that support was transferred to a General election?

That would be wife - unless being Canadian is ethnic. I think the BNP winning seats where I was living, or near to, or in a significant number would make me move. That would indicate to me that British people really are a thick lot.

The leafet they sent out was truely hilarious and scary the same time...why idiot with half a brain would beleive anything they write? I suppose that would be anyone with less than half a brain.

Are the BNP a smoother/refined version of the Nazi party? The other parties (NO2EU, Green specifically) mentioned BNP in their political broadcast and literature...so they must be very scared of the BNP.