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    Representation Process

    Following on from my post on 'Helpful Advice' it is clear that one or two respondees still haven't a clue about how best to deal with recruiters over this part of the placement process. Here goes. 'C' stands for Contractor and 'R' stands for Recruiter.

    C - Responds to a jobboard ad for a Business Analyst or is contacted by recruiter based on past experience some years ago and doesn't have recent CV. Usually this is done over the phone.

    R - elaborates more on the role, if asked, disclosing more about the nature of the role, the location, the rate the client may be willing to pay (if they know). They tell 'C' that the organisation is a utilities company requiring a Business Analyst. They do not disclose the client's name at this stage.

    C - is very interested in being represented and offers to send up-to-date CV to recruiter and then sends it. Otherwise, they ask 'R' to send a more detailed job spec to ensure that they can tailor their CV to highlight spec requirements (without lying through their back teeth about experience or other factual and checkable information).

    R- either sends an outline sketch of the job spec (removing client details) or responds to CV being sent after C has tailored it. R tells C they are interested in representing them and that CV deadlines are tomorrow.

    C - then agrees to be represented. They then ask for the client's actual name because they are entitled to this by law.

    R - gives out name of client and may ask C not to tell anyone else who may be a rival agency.

    C - you agree and ask R to send you e-mail confirmation that their CV has been forwarded to the client.

    R - then contacts you later to see if an interview is arranged etc. If it has, then R should also ask for ID information to ensure you are suitable for the role. R also asks if you wish to opt out. If C is sure at that stage that they do want to opt out (not forced to) then the ID requirements are not forwarded only the opt out form signed.

    C - otherwise, if you're not sure, you send the required documentation (passport, qualifications and so on). You tell R that you intend to opt out (if it seems likely that R wants this) but do not sign their opt out form. Instead, you e-mail R and express your 'intention' to opt out with no commitment to do so.

    After interview:

    R - contacts you to tell you have the gig and forwards you the terms and conditions to sign (or your brolly to sign).

    C - then signs the opt out form if C decided to opt out or C tells R that they wish to remain opted in and asks R if the terms they've sent are commensurate with opting in. If not, ask them to resend you the right ones.

    R - either resends the opting in terms or waits for the ones they've already sent to be approved and signed.

    C - you start on site.

    THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE FOLKS!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Denny
      Following on from my post on 'Helpful Advice' it is clear that one or two respondees still haven't a clue about how best to deal with recruiters over this part of the placement process. Here goes. 'C' stands for Contractor and 'R' stands for Recruiter.

      C - Responds to a jobboard ad for a Business Analyst or is contacted by recruiter based on past experience some years ago and doesn't have recent CV. Usually this is done over the phone.

      R - elaborates more on the role, if asked, disclosing more about the nature of the role, the location, the rate the client may be willing to pay (if they know). They tell 'C' that the organisation is a utilities company requiring a Business Analyst. They do not disclose the client's name at this stage.

      C - is very interested in being represented and offers to send up-to-date CV to recruiter and then sends it. Otherwise, they ask 'R' to send a more detailed job spec to ensure that they can tailor their CV to highlight spec requirements (without lying through their back teeth about experience or other factual and checkable information).

      R- either sends an outline sketch of the job spec (removing client details) or responds to CV being sent after C has tailored it. R tells C they are interested in representing them and that CV deadlines are tomorrow.

      C - then agrees to be represented. They then ask for the client's actual name because they are entitled to this by law.

      R - gives out name of client and may ask C not to tell anyone else who may be a rival agency.

      C - you agree and ask R to send you e-mail confirmation that their CV has been forwarded to the client.

      R - then contacts you later to see if an interview is arranged etc. If it has, then R should also ask for ID information to ensure you are suitable for the role. R also asks if you wish to opt out. If C is sure at that stage that they do want to opt out (not forced to) then the ID requirements are not forwarded only the opt out form signed.

      C - otherwise, if you're not sure, you send the required documentation (passport, qualifications and so on). You tell R that you intend to opt out (if it seems likely that R wants this) but do not sign their opt out form. Instead, you e-mail R and express your 'intention' to opt out with no commitment to do so.

      After interview:

      R - contacts you to tell you have the gig and forwards you the terms and conditions to sign (or your brolly to sign).

      C - then signs the opt out form if C decided to opt out or C tells R that they wish to remain opted in and asks R if the terms they've sent are commensurate with opting in. If not, ask them to resend you the right ones.

      R - either resends the opting in terms or waits for the ones they've already sent to be approved and signed.

      C - you start on site.

      THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE FOLKS!
      And I thought I was a boring tw*t

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        #4
        Originally posted by Forumbore
        And I thought I was a boring tw*t
        No you are.

        When contractors post helpful advice designed to help the contracting community I should be respected for that, not abused.

        If you don't want to read contractor issues then go and piss off to another board. You're not welcome here!

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          #5
          Originally posted by Denny
          No you are.

          When contractors post helpful advice designed to help the contracting community I should be respected for that, not abused.

          If you don't want to read contractor issues then go and piss off to another board. You're not welcome here!
          On who's authority? Where did you get the idea that your "advice" was useful?

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            #6
            well I for one thought that the info was useful.

            If you're not interested in the thread then don't read it... but don't abuse people who at least try to be helpful. If you don't agree with what is being said either respond politely and informatively or don't reply at all.

            I for one thought that this site was supposed to be for contractors to share information which as far as I can see is what Denny's threads have tried to do.
            "Well behaved women rarely make history"

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              #7
              Originally posted by janey
              well I for one thought that the info was useful.

              If you're not interested in the thread then don't read it... but don't abuse people who at least try to be helpful. If you don't agree with what is being said either respond politely and informatively or don't reply at all.

              I for one thought that this site was supposed to be for contractors to share information which as far as I can see is what Denny's threads have tried to do.
              Well said Denny. As it is lunchtime you can use one of your colleagues empty desks so that you can both be logged on at the same time

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                #8
                Originally posted by Forumbore
                Well said Denny. As it is lunchtime you can use one of your colleagues empty desks so that you can both be logged on at the same time
                nope I'm not denny and if you look through other threads you'll see I've had a run in with him before. I just found what he'd written useful and thought all the negative comments were unfair.
                "Well behaved women rarely make history"

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by janey
                  well I for one thought that the info was useful.

                  If you're not interested in the thread then don't read it... but don't abuse people who at least try to be helpful. If you don't agree with what is being said either respond politely and informatively or don't reply at all.

                  I for one thought that this site was supposed to be for contractors to share information which as far as I can see is what Denny's threads have tried to do.
                  Thanks Janey, I appreciate your support.

                  Forumbore. This board is meant to be for contractors to pass useful info to each other not for bores like you (good name) to try and sabotage such efforts just because you're more ignorant or because they don't like what you read. There's room for fun too, but not abuse for the sake of it so please remember that. We all have something useful to say at times, and I'm certainly not claiming any kind of specialist knowledge or supremacy just to seek attention to myself. Why do I need authority to state my views, anyway?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by janey
                    nope I'm not denny and if you look through other threads you'll see I've had a run in with him before. I just found what he'd written useful and thought all the negative comments were unfair.
                    I hope you found out the information about the company you wanted advice on Janey. Sorry, once again, if I was a bit sarcastic at first.

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