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SimonMac
3rd March 2011, 12:30
Looking for a new car to replace my MG which is carp when it comes to good fuel economy. Looking for something big (have 3 kids at the weekend), comfy for long trips on the motorway (am clocking up 800 miles a week at the moment), with a good MPG thats still fun to drive.

Is a BMW 520d too obvious a choice?

Peoplesoft bloke
3rd March 2011, 12:31
Is a BMW 520d too obvious a choice?

Yes. Next.

ThomasSoerensen
3rd March 2011, 12:32
M5 Touring

DimPrawn
3rd March 2011, 12:36
Looking for a new car to replace my MG which is carp when it comes to good fuel economy. Looking for something big (have 3 kids at the weekend), comfy for long trips on the motorway (am clocking up 800 miles a week at the moment), with a good MPG thats still fun to drive.

Is a BMW 520d too obvious a choice?

THE perfect car (as long as it never snows again and you don't care that no one will let you out of a side junction or merge into anothe lane).

Alpina d3 BiTurbo touring (get the estate version).

BMW Alpina D3 BiTurbo - a great diesel | Cars UK | UK Car News (http://www.carsuk.net/bmw-alpina-d3-biturbo-a-great-diesel/)


And this one is a good hole to fill with the BMW Alpina D3 Bi-Turbo, a 3 Series diesel with the heart of a hot hatch. Alpina has taken the engine out of the 1 Series 123d and given it a boost to 240bhp, in the process dropping the 0-60 time to a very creditable 6.9 seconds
But it’s not the sprint that count, but the way this peppy diesel unit delivers it. With a big (relatively) lump of torque at it’s disposal it feels much quicker than the headline times. In fact, it’ up there with the 330D, but drinks like a miser. Fuel economy is stunning 52mpg, and just 143g/km Co2.



52 mpg combined economy

SimonMac
3rd March 2011, 12:37
M5 Touring

To be honest that will probably still give me better fuel economy than what I'm getting at the moment :laugh

Dark Black
3rd March 2011, 12:38
Looking for a new car to replace my MG which is carp when it comes to good fuel economy. Looking for something big (have 3 kids at the weekend), comfy for long trips on the motorway (am clocking up 800 miles a week at the moment), with a good MPG thats still fun to drive.

Is a BMW 520d too obvious a choice?

What MG, a ZT-T?

SimonMac
3rd March 2011, 12:39
THE perfect car (as long as it never snows again and you don't care that no one will let you out of a side junction or merge into anothe lane).

Alpina d3 BiTurbo touring (get the estate version).

BMW Alpina D3 BiTurbo - a great diesel | Cars UK | UK Car News (http://www.carsuk.net/bmw-alpina-d3-biturbo-a-great-diesel/)


And this one is a good hole to fill with the BMW Alpina D3 Bi-Turbo, a 3 Series diesel with the heart of a hot hatch. Alpina has taken the engine out of the 1 Series 123d and given it a boost to 240bhp, in the process dropping the 0-60 time to a very creditable 6.9 seconds
But it’s not the sprint that count, but the way this peppy diesel unit delivers it. With a big (relatively) lump of torque at it’s disposal it feels much quicker than the headline times. In fact, it’ up there with the 330D, but drinks like a miser. Fuel economy is stunning 52mpg, and just 143g/km Co2.



52 mpg combined economy

Had a 3 series so used to the joys of snow + RWD (the lowest point was when I was struggling to get up a hill and was over taken by a 20 odd year old capri held together by tape :laugh) but looking for something a bit bigger.

SimonMac
3rd March 2011, 12:42
What MG, a ZT-T?

MG ZS 180+ (basically a rover 400, or a 20 year old honda civic which ever whay you look at it with a chavvy body kit and a rear spoiler that can double up as a helipad)

DimPrawn
3rd March 2011, 12:43
Had a 3 series so used to the joys of snow + RWD (the lowest point was when I was struggling to get up a hill and was over taken by a 20 odd year old capri held together by tape :laugh) but looking for something a bit bigger.

Tell me about it. Having those wide Continental tyres, low ride height, deep front spoiler and a heavy engine up front meant pretty much 3 inches of snow even on a slight incline was an impossibility. Car would just slowly rotate one wheel whilst 99% of the world drove by laughing.

:laugh

MaryPoppins
3rd March 2011, 12:46
Looking for a new car to replace my MG which is carp when it comes to good fuel economy. Looking for something big (have 3 kids at the weekend), comfy for long trips on the motorway (am clocking up 800 miles a week at the moment), with a good MPG thats still fun to drive.

Is a BMW 520d too obvious a choice?

I ended up getting a 5 series for the same reasons you outline. It's fine for moi

sasguru
3rd March 2011, 12:48
Tell me about it. Having those wide Continental tyres, low ride height, deep front spoiler and a heavy engine up front meant pretty much 3 inches of snow even on a slight incline was an impossibility. Car would just slowly rotate one wheel whilst 99% of the world drove by laughing.

:laugh

How embarrassing. Small willy AND useless car.
Doubly impotent.

cailin maith
3rd March 2011, 12:49
I ended up getting a 5 series for the same reasons you outline. It's fine for moi

:rollin: Well, it would be if you could reach the pedals!

MaryPoppins
3rd March 2011, 12:50
:rollin: Well, it would be if you could reach the pedals!

How RUDE!

As long as I've got my booster cushion I'm fine and you know it! I can more or less see over the dash.

cailin maith
3rd March 2011, 12:57
How RUDE!

As long as I've got my booster cushion I'm fine and you know it! I can more or less see over the dash.

:laugh :spel more or less, ish, kinda, hope for the best.

:wink

DimPrawn
3rd March 2011, 13:04
Looking for a new car to replace my MG which is carp when it comes to good fuel economy. Looking for something big (have 3 kids at the weekend), comfy for long trips on the motorway (am clocking up 800 miles a week at the moment), with a good MPG thats still fun to drive.

Is a BMW 520d too obvious a choice?

How much you wanting to spend?

Board Game Geek
3rd March 2011, 13:22
Looking for a new car to replace my MG which is carp when it comes to good fuel economy. Looking for something big (have 3 kids at the weekend), comfy for long trips on the motorway (am clocking up 800 miles a week at the moment), with a good MPG thats still fun to drive.


What is this fun to drive thing you mention ?

Since when has driving ever been fun ? In this grid-locked country ?

It's a chore. It's banal and boring.

Now, if it was legal to attach and use a few guns, that might make things interesting, at least for a while.

http://www.bahoot.com/GumBall3000/images/Aston%20Martin%20DB9%20James%20Bond%20Car%20with%2 0Machine%20guns%20Gumball%203000%202005%20bahoot.c om%20(5).jpg

Spacecadet
3rd March 2011, 13:26
Looking for a new car to replace my MG which is carp when it comes to good fuel economy. Looking for something big (have 3 kids at the weekend), comfy for long trips on the motorway (am clocking up 800 miles a week at the moment), with a good MPG thats still fun to drive.

Is a BMW 520d too obvious a choice?

Kia Ceed 1.6 diesel.
Kia Cee'd 1.6 diesel review | CarBuyer (http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/archive/kia-ceed-16-diesel-review)

has the added benefit that you won't be too bothered about your 3 kids messing up the back

DimPrawn
3rd March 2011, 13:33
For eating up miles on a big comfy car that you can stick three kids in and all your luggage. And if they all puke in the corners, it's only a Ford. Cheap to insure, any garage can service or mend it.

Ford S-MAX Reviews | New Ford S Max Z | New S Max 7 Seat | Ford S Max MPV Car (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/newreviews/207129/ford_smax.html)
Ford S-MAX | New Reviews | Car Reviews | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/newreviews/225096/ford_smax.html)
Ford S-MAX Best MPV | Auto Express | New Car Awards 2010 | Review (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/new_car_awards/255292/ford_smax.html)
Ford S-Max 2010 Road Test | Road Tests | Honest John (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tests/ford/ford-s-max-2010-road-test)

Mich the Tester
3rd March 2011, 13:36
Tell me about it. Having those wide Continental tyres, low ride height, deep front spoiler and a bum fluff moustache and a mullet meant pretty much everybody in my street called me a German chav while 99% of the world drove by laughing.

ftfy :wink

SimonMac
3rd March 2011, 13:37
What is this fun to drive thing you mention ?

Since when has driving ever been fun ? In this grid-locked country ?

It's a chore. It's banal and boring.

Now, if it was legal to attach and use a few guns, that might make things interesting, at least for a while.



Your not driving on the right roads then if your not having fun, I really enjoy leaving the chavved up Saxo's for dust then I floor it at the moment, make quite a spectable as The Archers blasts out from Radio 4

DimPrawn
3rd March 2011, 13:37
ftfy :wink

I've still got the biggest rear spoiler in the street though.

:smokin

Mich the Tester
3rd March 2011, 13:39
I've still got the biggest rear spoiler in the street though.

:smokin
Handy for opening the boot if you have a bad back.

sasguru
3rd March 2011, 13:39
For eating up miles on a big comfy car that you can stick three kids in and all your luggage. And if they all puke in the corners, it's only a Ford. Cheap to insure, any garage can service or mend it.

Ford S-MAX Reviews | New Ford S Max Z | New S Max 7 Seat | Ford S Max MPV Car (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/newreviews/207129/ford_smax.html)
Ford S-MAX | New Reviews | Car Reviews | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/newreviews/225096/ford_smax.html)
Ford S-MAX Best MPV | Auto Express | New Car Awards 2010 | Review (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/new_car_awards/255292/ford_smax.html)
Ford S-Max 2010 Road Test | Road Tests | Honest John (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tests/ford/ford-s-max-2010-road-test)

If you're doing MPV, I would prefer this one,nicer overall:

Peugeot 5008 MPV - Summary - New Car Review - What Car? (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/peugeot/5008-mpv/summary/25920-7)

Or get a Mazda 6 estate for bulletproof reliability (unlike the Germans), sporty drive and comfort

SimonMac
3rd March 2011, 13:39
For eating up miles on a big comfy car that you can stick three kids in and all your luggage. And if they all puke in the corners, it's only a Ford. Cheap to insure, any garage can service or mend it.

Ford S-MAX Reviews | New Ford S Max Z | New S Max 7 Seat | Ford S Max MPV Car (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/newreviews/207129/ford_smax.html)
Ford S-MAX | New Reviews | Car Reviews | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/newreviews/225096/ford_smax.html)
Ford S-MAX Best MPV | Auto Express | New Car Awards 2010 | Review (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/new_car_awards/255292/ford_smax.html)
Ford S-Max 2010 Road Test | Road Tests | Honest John (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tests/ford/ford-s-max-2010-road-test)

I only have the kids a couple of weekends a month so not worth getting a Transit

DimPrawn
3rd March 2011, 13:40
I only have the kids a couple of weekends a month so not worth getting a Transit

Get a Mondeo then. Sorted.

Mich the Tester
3rd March 2011, 13:41
Fiat Panda

davetza
3rd March 2011, 14:08
I've got a 5 Series 520d touring which I'm currently doing a 150 mile per day commute in and I can definitely recommend it. It is a nice big car which eats up the miles and makes the commute as nice as it can be. It’s the small things that that make the experience nice like windscreen wipers that come on automatically when it rains (especially nice when the rain is light so you don’t have to constantly turn your wipers on and off) and integrated Bluetooth for your phone and sat nat etc. You can most probably get these as optional extras on other cars but they come as standard on the 5 Series so you know you are getting them if you buy the car second hand.

Talking of second hand I can recommend Car Giant which is where I got my car. The price was on the low teens which is a third of what you would but it new and although it had done 86 000 miles it was in mint condition and I was not to worried about that sort of mileage on a diesel engine. I thought the 114 point check they do before they give you the car was sales BS but I was a day late in getting the car as the had to replaced the clutch and some bearings. I’ve had the car for two years now and it definitely one of the better purchases I have made

Bagpuss
3rd March 2011, 15:12
Looking for a new car to replace my MG which is carp when it comes to good fuel economy. Looking for something big (have 3 kids at the weekend), comfy for long trips on the motorway (am clocking up 800 miles a week at the moment), with a good MPG thats still fun to drive.

Is a BMW 520d too obvious a choice?

That or a Mondeo Titanium 2.0 diesel (What Car used car of the year). Neither is very nice to look at but do what they say on the tin. If budget stretches a 4 yr old 535d is very quick will do 35mpg+ and should be about 15k.

DimPrawn
3rd March 2011, 15:29
That or a Mondeo Titanium 2.0 diesel (What Car used car of the year). Neither is very nice to look at but do what they say on the tin. If budget stretches a 4 yr old 535d is very quick will do 35mpg+ and should be about 15k.

With a (£300) ECU remap and rolling road tune you can get over 300bhp from a 535d. Not bad for a cheap diesel car with pretty good fuel economy.

Would leave sasguru in his tired old Mazda 626 a small dot in the rear view mirror. :laugh

sasguru
3rd March 2011, 15:33
With a (£300) ECU remap and rolling road tune you can get over 300bhp from a 535d. Not bad for a cheap diesel car with pretty good fuel economy.

Would leave sasguru in his tired old Mazda 626 a small dot in the rear view mirror. :laugh

Nah mate my MPS would barrel past the broken down Beemer.
Not to mention AWD in the snow :laugh:laugh

AtW
3rd March 2011, 15:33
What a shocking lack of ambition, ffs - aspire to Porsche, Ferrari etc. :mad

sasguru
3rd March 2011, 15:42
What a shocking lack of ambition, ffs - aspire to Porsche, Ferrari etc. :mad

If I were you I would aspire to a modest income, say the average wage and owning your own one-bed flat, with a little extra for the "massage parlour"

Mich the Tester
3rd March 2011, 15:42
aspire to Porsche, Ferrari

Not uncommon among Lada drivers.

SimonMac
3rd March 2011, 15:50
That or a Mondeo Titanium 2.0 diesel (What Car used car of the year). Neither is very nice to look at but do what they say on the tin. If budget stretches a 4 yr old 535d is very quick will do 35mpg+ and should be about 15k.

I want something a bit "premium" (posh word for saying I'm a badge snob) so the Monedo would be a pass. I was looking at the 525 and 530 but the drop in MPG is too much (520 is 55mpg, 525 is 45mpg and the 520 is 40mpg) which considering the number of miles I do its too big a drop.

DimPrawn
3rd March 2011, 15:55
I want something a bit "premium" (posh word for saying I'm a badge snob) so the Monedo would be a pass. I was looking at the 525 and 530 but the drop in MPG is too much (520 is 55mpg, 525 is 45mpg and the 520 is 40mpg) which considering the number of miles I do its too big a drop.

Are you talking petrol or diesel here?

You are going to be hard pushed to beat something like a 535d in terms of price, performance and economy.

Test drive a 535d, you'll be astonished at the pace.

And it's a BMW, so all the losers on here will despise your apparent success. Bonus!

Spacecadet
3rd March 2011, 15:56
I want something a bit "premium" (posh word for saying I'm a badge snob) so the Monedo would be a pass. I was looking at the 525 and 530 but the drop in MPG is too much (520 is 55mpg, 525 is 45mpg and the 520 is 40mpg) which considering the number of miles I do its too big a drop.

premium cars come with premium bills including the fuel!

Bagpuss
3rd March 2011, 16:14
I want something a bit "premium" (posh word for saying I'm a badge snob)

1/ A Mondeo is far more exclusive than a five series, if you want to stand out from the crowd you need to look away from BMW
2/ You said you had an MG

MaryPoppins
3rd March 2011, 16:17
I want something a bit "premium" (posh word for saying I'm a badge snob) so the Monedo would be a pass. I was looking at the 525 and 530 but the drop in MPG is too much (520 is 55mpg, 525 is 45mpg and the 520 is 40mpg) which considering the number of miles I do its too big a drop.

You should have mentioned up front that you're a tit about 'premium' badges; advice could then have been tailored accordingly.

The Mondeo is probably exactly what you're after, and you'd look precisely less of a tit than in a beemer.

MaryPoppins
3rd March 2011, 16:17
1/ A Mondeo is far more exclusive than a five series, if you want to stand out from the crowd you need to look away from BMW
2/ You said you had an MG

3/ I meant to add your point 2/ to my post, above.

Clippy
3rd March 2011, 16:46
VW Phaeton. (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2505090.htm)

DimPrawn
3rd March 2011, 16:49
VW Phaeton. (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2505090.htm)

Good MPG?

From the 5 litre V10 diesel?

About 20 MPG.

Clippy
3rd March 2011, 16:54
Good MPG?

From the 5 litre V10 diesel?

About 20 MPG.

He's a badge snob - despite the claim he's after a car with good mpg, he'll end up buying something German which drinks more than minestrone. :laugh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm2swohEtYM

SimonMac
3rd March 2011, 17:18
What a shocking lack of ambition, ffs - aspire to Porsche, Ferrari etc. :mad

I'm saving that for when I start going bald and am in fullk midlife crisis

Bagpuss
3rd March 2011, 17:24
I'm saving that for when I start going bald and am in fullk midlife crisis

The best thing you can do is buy a copy of whatcar. Of course you may ignore their advice and buy the badge that sits best with your neighbours. The decision is yours.