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MyUserName
16th November 2012, 10:27
I know that there are some historians on here so ...

I am thinking of buying an armet - this one (http://armstreet.com/store/armor/armet-knight-helmet)- to go with a new suit of gothic armour that is being made for me. Target date is approx 1475.

I have not seen many/any being used in touraments or on the field, can anyone think of a reason why?

The armour is German so would normally go with a salet but I want one that locks down completely over my face to ensure I am protected (fighting style is full contact with steel weapons and the head is a valid targe) - I am assuming that this is not a a huge issue?

sasguru
16th November 2012, 10:29
I don't think medieval helmets were much different from ours.
Although perhaps ours may be bigger because of improved nutrition?

doomage
16th November 2012, 10:42
Is this about the situation in Gaza? Are you going on some kind of crusade?

Paddy
16th November 2012, 10:45
I would look at my helmet now but the room is too cold

Ketchup
16th November 2012, 10:48
What about a maximillian style helmet? Full protection and historically accurate?

RasputinDude
16th November 2012, 10:49
I would get yourself over to the living history forum and ask them - LivingHistory.co.uk (http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/forums/)

Looking at it though, I wouldn't buy that. It doesn't say anything about the gauge of the steel or the method of manufacture. It may be well and good for playing in, but could not be appropriate for full contact.

My advice to people buying weapons and armour for real use is to buy from known manufacturers where you can see and touch what they make and also to totally avoid those manufacturers that also make/sell fantasy stuff.

MyUserName
16th November 2012, 11:00
I would get yourself over to the living history forum and ask them - LivingHistory.co.uk (http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/forums/)

Looking at it though, I wouldn't buy that. It doesn't say anything about the gauge of the steel or the method of manufacture. It may be well and good for playing in, but could not be appropriate for full contact.

My advice to people buying weapons and armour for real use is to buy from known manufacturers where you can see and touch what they make and also to totally avoid those manufacturers that also make/sell fantasy stuff.

Fair points, thanks for taking the time to make them.

I am on that forum (user name Ayliffe's Steve, have a look at my group combat document, it rocks!!) but I find a problem on there can be information saturation (the armour archive too) for questions like this so I thought I would pop the question on here first as a couple of people seem to know about history.

At the bottom of the page they mention the lid is 14 gauge and cold rolled. I have also bought gauntlets from these guys before, so far they have taken full contact axes etc and reduced it to just small discomfort. They also provide armour for some of the Polish BOTN team.



What about a maximillian style helmet? Full protection and historically accurate?


A good idea but I was under the impression that was more 16c?

sasguru
16th November 2012, 11:02
How do you clean your helmet, though? With a wire brush?

MyUserName
16th November 2012, 11:05
How do you clean your helmet, though? With a wire brush?

I used to but the doctor advised me to stop going that BDSM mistress.

As for my armour, I clean that with cloth and wire wool - or scouring pads ... or I do not bother!

Ketchup
16th November 2012, 11:07
I have a few friends at who work at Osprey publishing, have fired them the question, will update when i get a response.

RasputinDude
16th November 2012, 11:07
I am on that forum

So am I, but under my real name, so I'm not going to tell you who. :)


but I find a problem on there can be information saturation
Oh yes, and some Very Strong Opinions.


At the bottom of the page they mention the lid is 14 gauge and cold rolled.

So they do. Sorry, I missed that.

MyUserName
16th November 2012, 11:13
So am I, but under my real name, so I'm not going to tell you who. :)

Now I am curious - we might have actually fought at some point (as in for real, not on here)! It would be funny if we were in the same group or something.



Oh yes, and some Very Strong Opinions.
True.


So they do. Sorry, I missed that.
No worries, thanks for looking in the first place.

MyUserName
16th November 2012, 11:14
I have a few friends at who work at Osprey publishing, have fired them the question, will update when i get a response.

Wow - thanks!

d000hg
16th November 2012, 11:14
I don't think medieval helmets were much different from ours.
Although perhaps ours may be bigger because of improved nutrition?Now you're an expert on helmets as well as economics?

EternalOptimist
16th November 2012, 11:40
I dont know much about medieval lids, but the ecw types were not worth wearing if they were expensive, because of the damage suffered. They get wrecked after a few years. Much better to wear a cheap utilitarian maurion.
When I first went to skirmishes, I used to get dizzy and nauseous and ocasionally wanted to sit down and throw up. I found out why when I was lent my first lid. All I could hear during the pushes was 'dink' 'clang' 'bong' 'dingg'
without the lid, every single one of those was a blow to the head



never did me any harm though

:rolleyes:

sasguru
16th November 2012, 11:42
Now you're an expert on helmets as well as economics?

Not really. I'm just curious how people deal with theirs.

RasputinDude
16th November 2012, 11:50
Now I am curious - we might have actually fought at some point (as in for real, not on here)

It's not beyond the realms of possibility; although I have stepped back over the last couple of years while MrsDude has been having babies.

We certainly know a lot of the same people though.

MyUserName
16th November 2012, 11:53
It's not beyond the realms of possibility; although I have stepped back over the last couple of years while MrsDude has been having babies.

We certainly know a lot of the same people though.

Did you ever do Tewkesbury?
If so, did you fight with God's Company or in the Buckinghams/Staffords/Beauforts?

RasputinDude
16th November 2012, 14:28
Did you ever do Tewkesbury?
If so, did you fight with God's Company or in the Buckinghams/Staffords/Beauforts?

Tewkesbury usually conflicts with something else, so I've never actually made it there.

Tatton park I get to easily (well, being in Manchester, you'd hope so).

I have fought for pretty much everyone as it happens. I'd take exception to the Staffords not being 'God's Company though'

Any my exception is backed up with lots of weapons! :D

MayContainNuts
16th November 2012, 14:30
You're not a true Viking 'til you've got blood on your helmet!!!!

Jimmy Saville!!! :D

MyUserName
16th November 2012, 14:37
Tewkesbury usually conflicts with something else, so I've never actually made it there.

Tatton park I get to easily (well, being in Manchester, you'd hope so).

I have fought for pretty much everyone as it happens. I'd take exception to the Staffords not being 'God's Company though'

Any my exception is backed up with lots of weapons! :D

Pah - there is only one God's Company and that is God's Company of Tabor (TABOR!) :tongue - we fought the Staffords at Tewkesbury a few years ago, (I think Harley was 2ic at the time but maybe not) had a couple of score draws with the Buckinghams and then the Beauforts. Last year I had fun crashing through the Ormond (sp?) line at will.

I do not think I have done Tatton - at least I cannot distincly remember it. After a while they blur together a little.

d000hg
16th November 2012, 14:38
Not really. I'm just curious how people deal with theirs.You're asking how people handle their helmets? I thought you were happily married.

RasputinDude
16th November 2012, 14:41
I do not think I have done Tatton - at least I cannot distincly remember it. After a while they blur together a little.

Come and do it next year, I'll buy you a pint.

They do all blur after a while - most of my twenties seem to be an alchohol fuelled haze interspersed with random people trying to punch, kick, stab, shoot or hurt me in other ways.

And that was just walking around Manchester ;) ...

MayContainNuts
16th November 2012, 14:42
They do all blur after a while - most of my twenties seem to be an alchohol fuelled haze interspersed with random people trying to punch, kick, stab, shoot or hurt me in other ways.

..

That sounds like Clipheads contracting career!!! :D