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Lucifer Box
17th June 2005, 21:37
If any of you dug deep to help out for this one, here's a good example of the sort of use it might be put to.

Oxfam has had to pay £550,000 in customs duty to the Sri Lankan government for importing 25 four-wheel-drive vehicles to help victims of the tsunami, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

The sum was levied by customs in Colombo which have refused to grant tax exemptions to non-governmental organisations working to repair damage caused by the giant Boxing Day wave.

The Indian-made Mahindra vehicles, essential to negotiate damaged roads and rough tracks, remained stuck in port at Colombo for almost a month as officials completed the small mountain of paperwork required to release them. Customs charged £2,750 "demurrage" for every day they stood idle.

Oxfam said it had "no choice" but to pay the exorbitant 300 per cent import tax or face further delays to its relief operation.
Sri Lanka charges Oxfam £500,000 to allow in jeeps (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=UOXVKJPLC2HAVQFIQMGCM5WAVCBQ UJVC?xml=/news/2005/06/17/woxf17.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/06/17/ixworld.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=72053http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=UOXVKJPLC2HAVQFIQMGCM5WAVCBQ UJVC?xml=/news/2005/06/17/woxf17.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/06/17/ixworld.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=72053)

Discuss, abuse Chico and/or Franco, whatever...

threaded
17th June 2005, 21:40
They have a good few Danes working down there as aid workers etc.

Tax on new cars in Denmark is 300%.

I think there may be a pattern here. :lol

Lucifer Box
17th June 2005, 22:23
Tax on new cars in Denmark is 300%
Blimey, good job it's a cyclist friendly country, topographically speaking.


Oxfam said it had "no choice" but to pay the exorbitant 300 per cent import tax
Of course, Oxfam did have another choice. Call the Sri Lankan government's bluff and threaten to clear off back home again. That would have been an interesting situation.

DimPrawn
18th June 2005, 16:20
It's every governments duty to prevent any good from coming out of any situation. It's the least they could do really.

A no win situation. Aid goes in the government pinches it and people suffer. They aid don't go in, our government will pinch it and people will suffer.

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AtW
18th June 2005, 16:23
> Tax on new cars in Denmark is 300%.

300% of list price? Can't be true.

Lucifer Box
18th June 2005, 16:27
300% of list price? Can't be true.
You're right, according to this site (Danish Car Taxes (http://www.homeofsbc.com/Misc__Text/Car_Taxes/car_taxes.html)) it's a mere 180%, which nearly trebles the price.

SupremeSpod
18th June 2005, 16:33
300% of list price? Can't be true.

Your clue was in the person who made the post...
(Our man in Denmark)

AtW
18th June 2005, 16:35
So, what you saying is that its impossible to buy a second hand or new car abroad and take it there without having to pay tax? How about keeping foreign number plates?

Surely tax on imported vehicles from EU is not inline with the common market?

Lucifer Box
18th June 2005, 16:37
The Danish Page (http://www.skovgaard.org/europe/denmark.htm)

AtW
18th June 2005, 16:47
"Register your car

When importing new or used cars, you have to pay registration duty, which is usually 60-63% of the market price. You must fill in a special form named "Value assessment of vehicle" at your regional customs and tax authorities. You submit the form together with your car s registration number. Then the regional customs and tax authorities determine the value of your car and forward you a claim on a deposit of the duty. The deposit is calculated on the basis of an interim value estimate of your car."

Source: www.workindenmark.dk/Brin..._car/0/1/0 (http://www.workindenmark.dk/Bringing_your_car/0/1/0)

AtW
18th June 2005, 16:48
"Receipt for payment of duty (when purchased in a non-EC country)"

It seems to me they should not be able to force any EU citizen who came to live in Denmark with his car bought and registered in EU to do anything.

AtW
18th June 2005, 16:52
Fking bullsh1t it was -- it does not apply to EU citizens who had their car bought and registered in EU -- it can't due to free market rules:

"Used cars which have been registered in another EU country may be imported into Denmark free of duty and VAT.

Freedom of VAT for used cars requires that the car has run min. 6,000 km and is min. 6 months old.

EU countries are - in addition to Denmark - Belgium, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Great Britain, Greece, Holland, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvian, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Slovakia, Slovenian, Sweden and Austria."

Source: www.erhverv.toldskat.dk/d...d=1&mode=2 (http://www.erhverv.toldskat.dk/display.aspx?oID=134402&vID=200698&indhold=1&mode=2)

Clearly only a retard would prefer to buy luxury car in Denmark and have it registered there. Now how much tax did you pay on yours threaded? :rolleyes

AtW
18th June 2005, 16:56
Sama page above suggests that registration tax has to be paid regardless in order to obtain local number plates.

But I don't think they can force a EU registered car to re-register locally :rolleyes

threaded
18th June 2005, 17:09
AtW: 300%? You buy a car for yourself and two for the state. Well actually a bit more as there are other taxes. Yes, if you are a Danish citizen or resident the tax rules apply to any car you own, anywhere in the world.

HTH

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AtW
18th June 2005, 17:35
threaded -- if you had a UK registered car with UK number plates and as a EU citizen choose to move to Denmark, would you have to re-register your car in Denmark?

threaded
18th June 2005, 19:37
AtW: Yes, and pay the tax. There is almost certainly some EU rule saying they can't, but the Danish tax people don't take too much notice of anything like that. They actually got taken to court by the EU, Denmark lost, something about movement of workers directive, but it hasn't actually changed anything. Anyways it is again 300% if it is new, on a sliding scale until the car is 25 years old. The official info. releases claims other values, but they do not list all the taxes you have to pay... What valuation they use for the tax is a bit of a mystery but appears to be either the new price or second hand value, whichever is the larger. Definitely more than actually buying the car in Denmark. I think there is probably some "grey inport" tax added. You also have to get the car tested, a little like an MOT, except quite-over-the-top. For example they will skid a car to ensure it skids in a straight line, so don't go with brand new tires, they'll have some flats put on them, go with your snow tires... Watching the testers is quite a laugh, cars slapping out of the rolling roads 'cause they don't know whether it is front, rear or 4 wheel drive. Saw a car leaking oil from the shocks afterwards one time I was there, buggered up the rolling road for the next few tests as well, obviously the subsequent cars failed the brake tests until it was cleaned ... by the tires of the cars ... They probably do a good few months equivalent road damage on the test. Never known a car pass first time, so another tax there.

Anyways, what Danes tend to do is buy cars with a very very low spec, and then the aftermarket is really quite something. i.e. only 25% VAT on aftermarket, as opposed to paying the 300% if it was attached to the car new.

Luxury cars: there are several scams.

The usual one involves registering the car as a taxi for three years. IIRC they have to be used a minimum number of days a year, saw some lucky so and so getting into a new 6 series the other day, and I am sure the rules say taxis have to be 4 doors...

Another one plays on residence: many people have a flat in Sweden or Germany etc. and claim that as their main residence. If you stay too much at your "Summer House" in Denmark nosey neighbours will report you. So many people have actually taken this route, and are now living in Sweden, that there is a traffic jam every morning on the bridge...

AtW
18th June 2005, 20:49
> There is almost certainly some EU rule saying they can't, but
> the Danish tax people don't take too much notice of anything like that.

That's a load of bollox -- just like UK they must have signed up to EU laws having precedence before their own.

There is no fecking way I will move to fecking Denmark, 300% tax ffs >:

thunderlizard
18th June 2005, 21:44
It only took the one title post before this thread veered decisively off topic A CUK record?

threaded
19th June 2005, 05:05
AtW: Not bollox, the Danish government have even been taken to court by the EU and lost, but AFAIK they have not changed a single thing: they are still chasing people who have foreign registered cars yet live in Denmark, still doing double taxation etc.

Lucifer Box
19th June 2005, 07:43
Gents, I thought we'd established the tax isn't 300%, it's "only" 180% (buying a car for yourself and two for the state isn't 300% tax - 300% tax is buying a car for yourself and three for the state).

threaded
19th June 2005, 09:48
Lucifer Box: The Danes in conversation refer to it as a 300% tax so maybe it is one for yourself and three for the state then. Which is probably why I've got the only road going Lambos round here. (The others I've seen running about have been on day/weekend & trade plates)

zeitghost
19th June 2005, 16:29
Ever so glad I restrained myself from making a donation during the ridiculous fuss...

Lucifer Box
20th June 2005, 07:24
Threaded: It might be that the average Joe in Denmark has a shaky grasp of maths and (as you could well imagine also happening in Britiain) refer to a tax that roughly trebles the price of a car erroneously as a 300% tax. The Danish Car Taxes site seems pretty sure that it is a "mere" 180%.

Anyway, it's a punitive tax.

threaded
20th June 2005, 09:37
Lucifer Box: That'd be for just one of the taxes, then there're things like the CO2 taxes, VAT/MOMS, registration tax, recycling tax, wealth tax (as you now own something of value).

I'm pretty sure if a Dane says it is 300% it is.

And being as I am at the Uni today I'll just nip down the corridor and ask one of the Profs in the Maths dept.. He said 300%.

BobTheCrate
20th June 2005, 13:18
How did the greed of the Sri Lankan Gov't over Tsunami relief aid get to Danish tax rates so quickly ?

Surprised someone needed a professor for this but any way.

If the tax rate is 300%, then the price incl tax is 4 times the amount before tax.

If the price incl tax is 3 times the price before tax, then the tax %age is 200%

IMO Oxfam were also at fault for paying this import duty. If they couldn't take the vehicles back without paying money they should have just left the vehicles at the Columbo port making sure they took plenty of film footage in the process.

The Sri Lankan Gov't could adopt whatever penalties they liked 1000%, 2000%, whatever - who and why would anyone need to pay it ?

If the trucks lay rotting at the port because the Sri Lankan Gov't were blackmailing Oxfam, that would be seen as the Sri Lankan Govt's fault, no one elses. And the trucks would simply continue rotting at the port.