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BrilloPad
24th September 2013, 10:20
BBC News - Ed Miliband vows to cut business rates for small firms (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24213366)

Sounds like easy money for contractors? And thats all you lot care about isn't it?

BTW sorry for not posting a meaningless thread like seems to be the general vogue at the moment......

GazCol
24th September 2013, 10:33
BBC News - Ed Miliband vows to cut business rates for small firms (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24213366)

Sounds like easy money for contractors? And thats all you lot care about isn't it?

BTW sorry for not posting a meaningless thread like seems to be the general vogue at the moment......

SMEs with property are better off whilst everybody else pays 21% CT rather than 20% - is that the gist of it?

DimPrawn
24th September 2013, 10:47
In other words, put up corp tax and lower business rates to push up the cost of commercial property.

LibLabCon can't see beyond stoking property bubbles, be it residential or commercial property.

All a bunch of :winker:

TheFaQQer
24th September 2013, 10:47
SMEs with property are better off whilst everybody else pays 21% CT rather than 20% - is that the gist of it?

Big business, not everyone would pay 21%

Chunk
24th September 2013, 10:49
To be honest, I'd probably vote for some old style socialism. New Lbour didn't really Havd any socialist policies - they were too busy ingratistong big business.

Politi ally we need change of tac. I'd votefor them.

VectraMan
24th September 2013, 10:51
Contractors aren't small businesses. You're all disguised employees, so shouldn't be paying CT anyway.

RetSet
24th September 2013, 10:54
Perhaps I missed the bit where he said he was going to abolish IR35?

:tantrum:

TheFaQQer
24th September 2013, 10:58
Perhaps I missed the bit where he said he was going to abolish IR35?

:tantrum:

He won't need to. Osborne said in opposition he would do it, and so did Cable.

vetran
24th September 2013, 11:05
Mr Miliband will say that by 2020 under Labour 200,000 houses would be built a year
There will also be a fresh generation of new towns

Here's some prospective town names ED - Edistan, Stalin-lowski, Trotski-Tata, Melting Point.


This is the party that sent out search parties for cheap labour and captive voters to quote an ex leader

"There is nothing that you could say to me now that I could ever believe."

Chunk
24th September 2013, 11:07
I'd like to see the parties call out their pedos then I'd vote for the party with, proportionately, the fewest.

It's time these perverts were brought to book.

DodgyAgent
24th September 2013, 11:07
To be honest, I'd probably vote for some old style socialism. .

That will work :winker:

Troll
24th September 2013, 11:09
To be honest, I'd probably vote for some old style socialism. New Lbour didn't really Havd any socialist policies - they were too busy ingratistong big business.

Politi ally we need change of tac. I'd votefor them.English not your first language?

The Spartan
24th September 2013, 11:53
Mr Miliband will say that by 2020 under Labour 200,000 houses would be built a year

The thing I fail to understand about all these houses they promise to build is how will they make any money? Obviously you have the initial outlay to build the houses and then once the tenants are in they'll be paying rent far below the average for a private rent, plus the fact that the majority of tenants will be on HB which is paid by the government anyway. Have I missed something?

doodab
24th September 2013, 11:56
The thing I fail to understand about all these houses they promise to build is how will they make any money? Obviously you have the initial outlay to build the houses and then once the tenants are in they'll be paying rent far below the average for a private rent, plus the fact that the majority of tenants will be on HB which is paid by the government anyway. Have I missed something?

Where does it say they will be council houses?

The Spartan
24th September 2013, 12:01
Where does it say they will be council houses?

Where does it say they will be executive homes? The majority would probably be social housing meaning low rents run by not for profit organisations. Besides don't all newly built estates have to contain a certain proportion of social housing by law these days

eek
24th September 2013, 12:10
The thing I fail to understand about all these houses they promise to build is how will they make any money? Obviously you have the initial outlay to build the houses and then once the tenants are in they'll be paying rent far below the average for a private rent, plus the fact that the majority of tenants will be on HB which is paid by the government anyway. Have I missed something?

Where does it say the rent won't be at roughly market levels.

vetran
24th September 2013, 12:30
about 30% will be social AIUI if they want to get planning permission.

http://www.hastings.gov.uk/environment_planning/planning/hastings_local_plan/affordable_housing_advice/

but:

18 per cent of all households in England live in social housing.

Who gets social housing? - Shelter England (http://england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns/why_we_campaign/Improving_social_housing/who_gets_social_housing)

some interesting stats there.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/affordable-housing-supply-in-england-2010-to-2011

The Spartan
24th September 2013, 12:31
Isn't it well publicised that current market rents are too high and this is one of the solutions to bring down rents rather then introducing a rent cap

vetran
24th September 2013, 12:36
Isn't it well publicised that current market rents are too high and this is one of the solutions to bring down rents rather then introducing a rent cap

now that makes sense.

not sure about the long term sustainability of such a policy.

amcdonald
24th September 2013, 17:27
Nothing would ever

d000hg
24th September 2013, 17:36
200k houses every year? That's getting on for a million people housed every year. Do we have even 1 million homeless people, much less several million?

Or are the extra houses for the extra immigrants they'll allow to flood in?

amcdonald
24th September 2013, 17:45
The thing I fail to understand about all these houses they promise to build is how will they make any money? Obviously you have the initial outlay to build the houses and then once the tenants are in they'll be paying rent far below the average for a private rent, plus the fact that the majority of tenants will be on HB which is paid by the government anyway. Have I missed something?

Couldn't he just outsource it to India and build 200,000 there and make the pledge with plenty cheapness

SueEllen
24th September 2013, 18:00
200k houses every year? That's getting on for a million people housed every year. Do we have even 1 million homeless people, much less several million?

Or are the extra houses for the extra immigrants they'll allow to flood in?

According to councils there are nearly 2 million homeless people which includes people who are overcrowded and old people living in unsuitable accommodation.

vetran
24th September 2013, 21:08
200k houses every year? That's getting on for a million people housed every year. Do we have even 1 million homeless people, much less several million?

Or are the extra houses for the extra immigrants they'll allow to flood in?

| Over 2 Million British Passports Handed Out Since 2000 (http://meebal.com/over-2-million-british-passports-handed-out-since-2000/)

and another 2 million eligible to come here from Romania etc.

we need 200K every year for the next 20 years to cope with that.

Good job Mandelson sent out a search party!

d000hg
24th September 2013, 21:18
According to councils there are nearly 2 million homeless people which includes people who are overcrowded and old people living in unsuitable accommodation.And yet also a problem with empty houses!

Mich the Tester
24th September 2013, 21:46
Vote Labour? The very thought of it is enough to make a chap vomit.

vetran
24th September 2013, 21:53
And yet also a problem with empty houses!

A small number in the wrong place and mainly privately owned. Maybe we should requisition houses for State use, Mother Russia needs homes?

http://www.emptyhomes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/regionaltotals-stats2012.jpg

Homes From Empty Homes ยป Empty Homes Statistics 2011/12 (http://www.emptyhomes.com/statistics-2/empty-homes-statistice-201112/)

259,000 are long- term empty (meaning they have been empty for more than six months). So 10% of what they need now. Only 30,000 in the south east.

You will probably find most of these are being allowed to fall down to force planning or aren't in a fit state or place to rent.

NickFitz
24th September 2013, 23:18
SMEs with property are better off whilst everybody else pays 21% CT rather than 20% - is that the gist of it?

No. But if you're lucky, they'll offer adult literacy and numeracy education too :winker:

TykeMerc
25th September 2013, 00:14
From the BBC (so pinch of salt).

Quoted from Milibrain :-

"The Labour leader argued firms had been "overcharging" customers for many years and millions of households would benefit from the temporary cap on prices at a time when finances were under acute pressure and many were struggling to heat their homes."

If they were overcharging for years why didn't the incumbent Labour administration pull them up on that?

This whole speech is a typical soundbite laden pile of un-costed, impractical horsesh1t aimed at conning a few extra votes with no realistic prospect delivery.

amcdonald
25th September 2013, 08:12
This whole speech is a typical soundbite laden pile of un-costed, impractical horsesh1t aimed at conning a few extra votes with no realistic prospect delivery.

True, but it could still win them the election

The Spartan
25th September 2013, 08:13
True, but it could still won them the election

I hope not, but then the general public are easily fooled