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barrydidit
18th May 2014, 17:12
Funny one this. War themed festival mired in controversy over Nazi costumes (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/10839115/War-themed-festival-mired-in-controversy-over-Nazi-costumes.html)

Should the Germans be represented at a 1940's themed weekend? They were somewhat integral to procedings after all. Is it a reasonable stance, or are the good people of Howarth a bunch of bedwetters who should stick to Cathy and Heathcliffe?

northernladuk
18th May 2014, 17:21
TBH I think many people think it's just easier to ban them all not particularly because of what they represent, they just don't want the hassle.

We have well known war weekend in our village a bit later in the year and it all kicks off about this at this one as well. No one is particularly upset about what it represents, they just get more worked up arguing about it if that makes sense. Those that aren't bothered get angry at those that say ban it because it causes too much hassle. Very very few people actually say ban it because it is offensive. More like a storm in a teacup than people actually being offensive.

It's very strange. I must admit in my mind if it is going to cause controversy on this scale why bother turning up in German uniform? It just doesn't seem worth it. Pick a different uniform and everyone can get along surely?

darmstadt
18th May 2014, 17:23
Funny one this. War themed festival mired in controversy over Nazi costumes (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/10839115/War-themed-festival-mired-in-controversy-over-Nazi-costumes.html)

Should the Germans be represented at a 1940's themed weekend? They were somewhat ingral to procedings after all. Is it a reasonable stance, or are the good people of Howarth a bunch of bedwetters who should stick to Cathy and Heathcliffe?

I don't think its the fact that people were in German uniforms, which is fine, but the fact that some wore SS paraphernalia which is very hurtful to many people. Maybe we could a 1930's revival and wear black shirts and walk down Cable Street?

barrydidit
18th May 2014, 17:31
It probably is being extreme taking an SS uniform along rather than a luftwaffe or a kriegsmarine one I suppose. No mention of any Japanese or Italian representation either. Maybe playing the bad guy can only be effectively done with a Teutonic sneer.

I think NLUK is probably right though - it's less hassle to just ban it and then there's nothing to argue about.

minestrone
18th May 2014, 17:36
I don't think its the fact that people were in German uniforms, which is fine, but the fact that some wore SS paraphernalia which is very hurtful to many people. Maybe we could a 1930's revival and wear black shirts and walk down Cable Street?

Really? Raiders of the Lost Ark gets regular day time screenings and I don't remember much fuss ever being show about the endless shots of SS uniforms.

These days it is a never ending stream of panty wetting.

darmstadt
18th May 2014, 18:00
Really? Raiders of the Lost Ark gets regular day time screenings and I don't remember much fuss ever being show about the endless shots of SS uniforms.

These days it is a never ending stream of panty wetting.

I think that the men wearing these uniforms are living out some kind of SM fantasy. If they really wanted to educate people then they would be better off setting up a proper exhibition than swaggering around a little village in SS uniforms. As was pointed out earlier, where are the Japanese or Italians? I'm going to go next year, after going on a crash diet, shave my head and remove any gold teeth I have, in black and white striped pyjamas with a yellow star sewn on the arm...

Presumably in order to keep it authentic, they could be hanged afterwards as well

barrydidit
18th May 2014, 18:17
I think that the men wearing these uniforms are living out some kind of SM fantasy.

I reckon there's a lot of truth to that.


I'm going to go next year, after going on a crash diet, shave my head and remove any gold teeth I have, in black and white striped pyjamas with a yellow star sewn on the arm...

I think it would diffuse a lot of the upset if there were Polish, French, Russian, Italian, Japanese etc present. But it seems like it's only a selective 'Vera Lynn, singsongs in the air raid shelters and no bananas' elements of the past that should be present. If that's the case they should market it as a 'We'll meet again some sunny day' weekend and have done with it. Which, tbh, I wouldn't begrudge the old folks for a second.

On that theme, there's a similar one in a village about a mile from where I live and one of the elderly neighbours is involved in the organising - she tips us off when the Battle of Britain memorial flight is coming over and I have to say it certainly raises the hairs on the back of the neck when a heavy bomber floats over at a few hundred feet.

minestrone
18th May 2014, 19:49
I think that the men wearing these uniforms are living out some kind of SM fantasy. If they really wanted to educate people then they would be better off setting up a proper exhibition than swaggering around a little village in SS uniforms. As was pointed out earlier, where are the Japanese or Italians? I'm going to go next year, after going on a crash diet, shave my head and remove any gold teeth I have, in black and white striped pyjamas with a yellow star sewn on the arm...

Presumably in order to keep it authentic, they could be hanged afterwards as well

You claimed that the SS uniform was hurtful to many people yet it is used countless times in entertainment and have been for years with no complaint. FFS, they were running about in them in star trek in the 60s, Nimoy included, and nobody was bothered. Now when that is pointed out they are sexual deviants and they should only ever be used in with historical context.

Typically you have constructed a pile of absolute mince to excuse your dislike of anyone engaged in this hobby to append to the catalogue of shite that flows forth from your posts.

BrilloPad
18th May 2014, 20:05
Why not go dressed in Italian battle flag? A white sheet.

darmstadt
18th May 2014, 20:16
I don't think its the fact that people were in German uniforms, which is fine, but the fact that some wore SS paraphernalia which is very hurtful to many people. Maybe we could a 1930's revival and wear black shirts and walk down Cable Street?


You claimed that the SS uniform was hurtful to many people yet it is used countless times in entertainment and have been for years with no complaint. FFS, they were running about in them in star trek in the 60s, Nimoy included, and nobody was bothered. Now when that is pointed out they are sexual deviants and they should only ever be used in with historical context.

Typically you have constructed a pile of absolute mince to excuse your dislike of anyone engaged in this hobby to append to the catalogue of tulipe that flows forth from your posts.

And you've just talked a load of bollocks as you can see by the quotes. Did I say I disliked it? I could equally say that you're a Nazi sympathiser because you're sticking up for them...

northernladyuk
18th May 2014, 20:23
TBH I think many people think it's just easier to ban them all not particularly because of what they represent, they just don't want the hassle.

We have well known war weekend in our village a bit later in the year and it all kicks off about this at this one as well. No one is particularly upset about what it represents, they just get more worked up arguing about it if that makes sense. Those that aren't bothered get angry at those that say ban it because it causes too much hassle. Very very few people actually say ban it because it is offensive. More like a storm in a teacup than people actually being offensive.

It's very strange. I must admit in my mind if it is going to cause controversy on this scale why bother turning up in German uniform? It just doesn't seem worth it. Pick a different uniform and everyone can get along surely?

But it was going too far when they beat you up, shaved your head and led you through town for horizontal collaboration with the enemy.

minestrone
18th May 2014, 20:32
And you've just talked a load of bollocks as you can see by the quotes. Did I say I disliked it? I could equally say that you're a Nazi sympathiser because you're sticking up for them...

Your assertion that the SS uniform is hurtful to many people is complete bullshit when Stephen Spielberg, who you would think would have his finger on the pulse with this kind of stuff, is quite happy to make action adventure movies filled with them.

BrilloPad
18th May 2014, 20:34
:nazi:

Should we have a nazi emoticon?

darmstadt
18th May 2014, 20:43
Your assertion that the SS uniform is hurtful to many people is complete bulltulip when Stephen Spielberg, who you would think would have his finger on the pulse with this kind of stuff, is quite happy to make action adventure movies filled with them.

Nope not hurtful at all to the many people who had family killed during the second world war, not hurtful to the many surviving Jews, nope not hurtful at all.

I also think that many people know that a fictional piece of work on celluloid is just that yet when you see it in real life walking amongst you, then, yes it will be hurtful to many people. Whatever gets your goat I suppose...

Why chose the uniform of the greatest threat to European peace, culture and safety many can remember? We might just wonder what it is that is so very attractive to our fellow man in the UK in continually dressing up as Nazis. Other countries do not indulge in these shenanigans. You do not see other Europeans doing it. It’s not a habit of openly corrupt Russian politicians or even blood soaked African dictators. Why with us, do our folk see such romance in this vile sickness?

Friends of Tory MP:

http://theoligarchkings.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/article-2072639-0f220c8300000578-47_634x697.jpg?w=529&h=581

Royalty:

http://theoligarchkings.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/prince-harry-as-nazi.jpg?w=529

Liberal Welsh Councillor:

http://theoligarchkings.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/sean-308879730.jpg?w=529

minestrone
18th May 2014, 20:47
2 Jews...


http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/11/10/nazi.jpg

DodgyAgent
18th May 2014, 20:59
Why not go dressed in Italian battle flag? A white sheet.


racist!

Doggy Styles
19th May 2014, 08:09
Perhaps they should ban all uniforms.
A lot of German civilians died at the hands of Allied forces.
A lot of Japanese died when Allied forces dropped atom bombs on them.
And a lot of Italians surrendered.

Doggy Styles
19th May 2014, 08:41
Really? Raiders of the Lost Ark gets regular day time screenings and I don't remember much fuss ever being show about the endless shots of SS uniforms.

These days it is a never ending stream of panty wetting.It's a wonder how 'Allo 'Allo became so popular.

darmstadt
19th May 2014, 08:56
Welcome to the latest show of the Civil War Reenactment Society and this year we going to give a good show. First a couple of points: those of you performing as Klu Klux Klan members please do not burn the crosses as we have to return them to the props department of the local theater and secondly, no lynchings this year, even if you say the participant was willing. Now...


Welcome to the latest show of the Boer War Reenactment Society. Sadly this year we will not be doing the Battle of Blood River as we are unable to find any people to act as Zulus due to the unfortunate incident last year when some members took the word 'blood' too literally. Also there were a number of complaints about some of the vocabulary used about the people playing Zulus. Now...

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Scruff
19th May 2014, 08:59
My take on this, as a Yellow-Star, is that should people choose to turn up in their Waffen SS uniforms, we should have the right to indulge in the full Inglorious Bastards treatment...:ladybags:

suityou01
19th May 2014, 13:20
Funny one this. War themed festival mired in controversy over Nazi costumes (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/10839115/War-themed-festival-mired-in-controversy-over-Nazi-costumes.html)

Should the Germans be represented at a 1940's themed weekend? They were somewhat integral to procedings after all. Is it a reasonable stance, or are the good people of Howarth a bunch of bedwetters who should stick to Cathy and Heathcliffe?

I honestly can't help but see this as anything but lacking maturity.

I certainly have too much dignity to even consider getting upset about it.

History is a stern judge, and I think our generation will not be fondly remembered.