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    Quote Originally Posted by meridian View Post
    People didn’t vote for a hard exit.
    No, because that was not on the ballot form. What we voted for was to leave. That means leaving everything, for better or for worse. Whether it's for better or for worse depends on the politicians, which doesn't fill me with an enormous dose of hope...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordac View Post
    No, because that was not on the ballot form. What we voted for was to leave. That means leaving everything, for better or for worse. Whether it's for better or for worse depends on the politicians, which doesn't fill me with an enormous dose of hope...
    No. Leaving everything was not on the ballot paper. Leaving the EU was on the ballot paper. The EEA, customs union and single market are up for debate.

    In many ways the EEA would represent the mid point of the electorate and would also be in line with the UK's history of opt outs and negativity about ever closer union.

    To respect the electorate's negativity about immigration, a model based more firmly around free movement of labour rather than free movement of people could be implemented. IIRC Norway has such a model but I may have remembered that incorrectly.
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    More great news from the thinking patriot's favourite news source.

    British Government's preparation for a 'no deal' Brexit has ground to a halt | Daily Mail Online
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordac View Post
    No, because that was not on the ballot form. What we voted for was to leave. That means leaving everything, for better or for worse. Whether it's for better or for worse depends on the politicians, which doesn't fill me with an enormous dose of hope...
    For better or for worse depends on the politicians? That’s a massive cop-out.

    The Leave campaign was all about sunny uplands and how everything would be easy. Any attempt to cost the exit was dismissed as “Project Fear”. There are no forecasted scenarios where anything will be “better”, only gradients of worse.

    Let’s say that the Leave campaign was more honest about a hard Brexit:
    - leaving the CU + SM, meaning a hard border in Ireland, tailbacks in Kent, JIT industries closing down and leaving the U.K.
    - leaving all EU agencies, and the cost of replacing them with our own. Euratom, Galileo, Erasmus, EASA, EMA, etc
    - new trade deals that will have an element of FoM about them. India, Australia, etc.
    - no cash for the NHS. The cost of setting up the new agencies means that the NHS will need to cut back even further.
    - etc

    I suspect that the vote may have been different if all the facts and costs were laid out more honestly at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordac View Post
    Whether it's for better or for worse depends on the politicians,
    That's democracy for you. Bad politicians are voted in and their parties get into power because of the people who vote for them.
    The Leave group based everything that is wrong with the UK on the EU. They failed to accept any responsibility lay with the UK and how the UK Government, UK Home Office, etc, brought in laws and implemented them.
    Then an election was called, and the same UK government got voted in again.

    These bad politicians were voted in.

    Then there's the House of Lords, which according to many Leave supporters, should be disbanded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    That's democracy for you. Bad politicians are voted in and their parties get into power because of the people who vote for them.
    The Leave group based everything that is wrong with the UK on the EU. They failed to accept any responsibility lay with the UK and how the UK Government, UK Home Office, etc, brought in laws and implemented them.
    Then an election was called, and the same UK government got voted in again.

    These bad politicians were voted in.

    Then there's the House of Lords, which according to many Leave supporters, should be disbanded.
    ...and hanged is the implication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus View Post
    Everyone is blaming the Government for not coming up with a Brexit strategy. They've made no progress in two years so how useless must they be.

    However, when will it dawn on everyone that there simply isn't a Brexit strategy? I guess Theresa already can see that. She's ostensibly nurturing a stay-in-only-worse-off approach but she'll never get away with that. The hard exit (which is what people voted for) is too expensive and disruptive. So all she can do is the classic deathmarch manoeuvre that so many of us project people have seen played out so many times - just keep plodding along and shoving in the invoices until the merde finally hits the fan.

    Then blame everybody else.
    Unfortunately most of the retards who voted for it wont be in a position to move on after 'project fail' concludes.
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