Originally posted by ziggystardust
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Offer of New Contract for Completely Different Role & Worried I'll be Out of My Depth
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Originally posted by Stevie Wonder BoyAs long as you have been truthful and you feel you can rise to the challenge, then no issue go for it - Need to be a dog, not a cat if you are serious about contracting.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by ziggystardust View Post£50phRhyddid i lofnod psychocandy!!!!Comment
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I would say fair to the OP for displaying modesty on this forum, it's a far cry from the normal bragging and preening that goes on here.
But you have to back yourself as a contractor, nobody else is going to.Comment
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Originally posted by psychocandy View PostSo you've just coughed up £7500 as month or so because you're not sure. And the client even still wants you? I'd be straight on the phone trying to repair the damage and get in there sharpish.Comment
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Originally posted by ziggystardust View PostYes, I realise I have made a monumental mistake. Taking too much time mulling over my own doubts in my capabilities about a job I had not even started yet and then voicing then to the client has indeed now sewn the seeds of doubt in their minds and ruined my chances, even if I were to discuss the matter with them. I wasn't 100% comfortable with the working practices/terms 'you'll be doing part of one role and some of another' because it's not a full project manager role etc. so it wasn't very clear from the outset. Perhaps gaining more experience in a fixed term contract or perm rule is the way forward first. ..
As a contractor (if you're any good) you get to choose the work and on your terms. If a client is asking for A & B but you see some issues then sell yourself for A and decline B. There are many ways to do this without admitting lack of confidence in ones ability. Even if you fail to strike a deal you can still leave an impression of strength rather than weakness.
You're absolutely not wrong to turn a job down, no matter the $$$. But it could've been handled so much better.Comment
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(I've been a PM for 14 years, programme manager for most of it, in business and IT)
OK, you know you've made mistakes so far, including the latest developments. Not ideal. But seriously, stop prevaricating, go back to them, speak to them, rebuild the relationship and get in there. I personally believe the most credible way of doing this is:
"I've been honest with you about my skills and experience and some of what you told me made me feel this might be more of a stretch than would be ideal. I don't say I'll do something and then not do it - once I commit, I deliver [by the way, this is an important trait in any PM!] I would still love the opportunity however so the best I can say is, can we go into this with a commitment to have open and honest dialogue. If you have any concerns, please voice them with me which allows me to act on them. Now I can't wait to get stuck in!"
If you manage it like that, if the worst happens then you can walk away with no regrets and a learning experience for all concerned, but with no hard feelings. You will at least have tried, and you've been straight with the client (which you may as well be).
You don't say what skills and experience they were attracted to on your CV but I do wonder if it was actually the PMO stuff or some other, less directly obvious stuff? But anyway - take this opportunity. GO into it with your eyes open knowing it might not work out, and achieve whatever you can out of it. At least you'll be earning and building experience even if all that tells you is you don't want to be a PM after all!
And I agree with the other PM who said 'what is a standard PM role anyway'. Most of them aren't, and those who rely entirely on process and standardisation (in the PMing itself, I mean, not in what you implement, if process and standardisation is what you're implementing!) entirely miss the point. Projects get delivered mainly because of people.
Go get it!Comment
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At £50 an hour and they are eager for you to join, id go for it. Most seasoned Pm's (including me) wouldn't take £50 an hour. Worst case, they aren't happy and terminate you, best case, you get an opportunity.
For an experienced PM via agency they would most likely be paying £80 + vat (d.o. Location).
Just widen your network so you have people to use as soundboardsComment
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Originally posted by ceebeepps View PostAt £50 an hour and they are eager for you to join, id go for it. Most seasoned Pm's (including me) wouldn't take £50 an hour. Worst case, they aren't happy and terminate you, best case, you get an opportunity.
For an experienced PM via agency they would most likely be paying £80 + vat (d.o. Location).
Just widen your network so you have people to use as soundboardsComment
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