Hays not changing contract

**GB9** · 24 May 2016, 08:45

Just from reading previous, similar threads, Hays contracts fail and they don't change them.

Worth a search but I can't remember anyone getting one changed.

Personally, if I see a role advertised by them I won't bother.

**northernladuk** · 24 May 2016, 08:57

Funny that. Hays used to be a problem many moons ago, lots of complaints on here about it but all of a sudden they must have changed it and people were saying on here it was sorted. I certainly thought Hays were back on track.

You sure it's just not this gig and not Hays standard. If the client won't accept RoS they can't exactly put it in there. If the client wants an inside IR35 person then the contract is gonna reflect that no?

**psychocandy** · 24 May 2016, 09:00

Thats Hays for you. Standard answer from them....

They WILL change it if you kick off - believe me.

I had EXACTLY the same once with them (3 years ago). They expected me to sign a contract without seeing it as well. Then I had "no-one has ever...", "1000s of contractors etc". When I refused the guy even started abusing me and saying I was disgrace and unprofessional....

So I though sod that and got the name of Hays Area Manager and spoke to him. Said if you want to do business, then 1) Get that cheeky little tulipe off the deal. 2) Stop pissing about.

I all went smoothly after this. Of course, the original fella may or may not have been acting on his own with his approach. Perfectly aware that the managers know how their agents are doing things.

BTW - in my experience, worst agency I've ever worked with has been Hays. Paid on time so no issues there but complete nightmare for trying it on and stupid, childish little tricks to screw more money.

**missinggreenfields** · 24 May 2016, 09:00

Qdos will do the negotiation for you - if they won't move then you have to decide whether you want to take the contract or not and what that might mean.

You could say that you think it's going to be inside IR35, you were quoting an outside IR35 rate, therefore your new rate is current rate + 24% (or whatever uplift you require). Don't forget to consider any travel and subsistence expenses which aren't claimable if you are inside IR35.

**northernladuk** · 24 May 2016, 09:03

Originally posted by missinggreenfields View Post

You could say that you think it's going to be inside IR35, you were quoting an outside IR35 rate, therefore your new rate is current rate + 24% (or whatever uplift you require). Don't forget to consider any travel and subsistence expenses which aren't claimable if you are inside IR35.

And you call my advice

**psychocandy** · 24 May 2016, 09:13

Originally posted by missinggreenfields View Post

Qdos will do the negotiation for you - if they won't move then you have to decide whether you want to take the contract or not and what that might mean.

You could say that you think it's going to be inside IR35, you were quoting an outside IR35 rate, therefore your new rate is current rate + 24% (or whatever uplift you require). Don't forget to consider any travel and subsistence expenses which aren't claimable if you are inside IR35.

Considered this in the past. How much do QDOS charge for doing this?

Would certainly save a lot of time with certain agents trying it on.

**missinggreenfields** · 24 May 2016, 09:24

Originally posted by psychocandy View Post

Considered this in the past. How much do QDOS charge for doing this?

AIUI, it's part of their standard offering when they review your contract.

**northernladuk** · 24 May 2016, 09:36

Originally posted by missinggreenfields View Post

AIUI, it's part of their standard offering when they review your contract.

Is it part of the free contract check you get with PI/PL as well? All mine have passed when I've used that service so negotiation has never been discussed

**missinggreenfields** · 24 May 2016, 09:39

Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

Is it part of the free contract check you get with PI/PL as well? All mine have passed when I've used that service so negotiation has never been discussed

Have you asked your insurance provider?

Never needed the service before, so I have no idea how it works - but it's on the website for the contract review service.

Hays not changing contract