This Farage Immigrants with HIV Business

[xoggoth]

What do you suggest, make it easier so that the average UKIP supporter can become one?

Can you manage any serious argument that isn't just smears and insults? Never any supporting facts from you I notice.

If we are demanding very high standards from our doctors there is no justification in taking in foreign doctors who do not match these same standards. 63% of doctors struck off are from overseas, mainly India and Nigeria.

Tests taken by foreign doctors who want to work in the NHS should be made harder to pass to bring them in line with UK standards, a study has said.
Research by University College London found a "performance gap" between international and UK medical graduates.

Foreign doctors should face tougher exams, study says - BBC News

It hardly helps that 7.5% of those scarce medical places are handed to overseas students.

As for this full employment, if people work then you can go on adding people add infinitum and there will still be full employment because, as I said earlier, migrants just create their own demand. It is just grafting more and more of the same on to the existing economy. The population expands and the GDP expands by a similar amount, it does not make any of us any better off, just makes the UK an ever more crowded and less pleasant place to live.

[BrilloPad]

The population expands and the GDP expands by a similar amount, it does not make any of us any better off, just makes the UK an ever more crowded and less pleasant place to live.

Exactly. The only people who benefit are politicians. They claim the economy is expanding. And there are more wage slaves.

[Euler]

Can you manage any serious argument that isn't just smears and insults? Never any supporting facts from you I notice.
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Ok lets take some of your statements and look for supporting facts.
Actually logicial thinking would be nice.

If we are demanding very high standards from our doctors there is no justification in taking in foreign doctors who do not match these same standards. 63% of doctors struck off are from overseas, mainly India and Nigeria.


Foreign doctors should face tougher exams, study says - BBC News
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Why do you think we have to take doctors from abroad? Could it be because as I have maintained throughout this thread that the demand from the elderly is rising exponentially? There's plenty of evidence for this if you want to look, not least from a speech by the incoming CEO of the NHS. This isn't a problem that will go away.
It needs reform of outdated, centrally-funded system that currently exists and is not fit or purpose. UKIP are the only party who had this policy, but changed it when they realised many of their voters were ex-Labour and wouldn't stand for touching the NHS.

It hardly helps that 7.5% of those scarce medical places are handed to overseas students.
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Those foreign students pay so much in fees they help fund the medical schools. This is the case with universities generally - they would have severe shortfalls in funding without the large fees foreign students pay. It's completely ridiculous to say that university places should be reserved only for Britons.
In any case if your 7.5% figure is correct, it's hardly going to change the reality since there are vastly more than 7.5% foreign doctors in the NHS.

As for this full employment, if people work then you can go on adding people add infinitum and there will still be full employment because, as I said earlier, migrants just create their own demand. It is just grafting more and more of the same on to the existing economy. The population expands and the GDP expands by a similar amount, it does not make any of us any better off, just makes the UK an ever more crowded and less pleasant place to live.

It is complete and utter bollux to claim that migrants creating their own demand is the reason for full employment. So you're claiming that British (or let's say multinational firms) are not employing these migrants and they're creating their own jobs, hence full employment?
Any of your beloved facts to back this ridiculous assertion up?
I think the reality is that there's a large labour shortage - certainly in London and the South East this is a problem I have to deal with on an ongoing basis.

[Gumbo Robot]

Ok lets take some of your statements and look for supporting facts.
Actually logicial thinking would be nice.



Why do you think we have to take doctors from abroad? Could it be because as I have maintained throughout this thread that the demand from the elderly is rising exponentially? There's plenty of evidence for this if you want to look, not least from a speech by the incoming CEO of the NHS. This isn't a problem that will go away.
It needs reform of outdated, centrally-funded system that currently exists and is not fit or purpose. UKIP are the only party who had this policy, but changed it when they realised many of their voters were ex-Labour and wouldn't stand for touching the NHS.




Those foreign students pay so much in fees they help fund the medical schools. This is the case with universities generally - they would have severe shortfalls in funding without the large fees foreign students pay. It's completely ridiculous to say that university places should be reserved only for Britons.
In any case if your 7.5% figure is correct, it's hardly going to change the reality since there are vastly more than 7.5% foreign doctors in the NHS.



It is complete and utter bollux to claim that migrants creating their own demand is the reason for full employment. So you're claiming that British (or let's say multinational firms) are not employing these migrants and they're creating their own jobs, hence full employment?
Any of your beloved facts to back this ridiculous assertion up?
I think the reality is that there's a large labour shortage - certainly in London and the South East this is a problem I have to deal with on an ongoing basis.

How about addressing

it does not make any of us any better off, just makes the UK an ever more crowded and less pleasant place to live.

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[Euler]

How about addressing

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One can have an open dynamic economy and that comes with some costs.
Or one can have an imaginary bucolic paradise and become the world's backwater, with costs of a different nature.
There isn't a perfect paradise, contrary to what some politicians from both right and left have peddled for centuries.

[vetran]

darn old people getting old who could have predicted that?

The only skill the locals miss is being willing to work for peanuts.

Yes unlike every large business I know lets go for a less centralised organisation with more local management rather than a leaner one with economies of scale.

[Euler]

darn old people getting old who could have predicted that?
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What are we going to do about it. Repeating that like a moron isn;t going to help.

The only skill the locals miss is being willing to work for peanuts.
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Because clearly you and and some of your family are trained doctors and can't find work because the salaries are so low

Yes unlike every large business I know lets go for a less centralised organisation with more local management rather than a leaner one with economies of scale.

The NHS isn't a business. It needs an insurance based system that even more socialist/social democratic countries like France and Germany use.

You know when I call you a cretin, it's not ad hominem, just an observation based on all available evidence.

[minestrone]

I know breaking point is used too much when describing the NHS but as far as I can see it has reached that, it is an 11 hour day being a GP now and you don't get a break, wife now has cut back to 3 days a week. To deal with demand surgeries are moving to telephone triage which results in poorer care and actually increases demand, people just phone up to have a chin wag about their athletes foot.

The whole thing is a cluster fook and no amount of money will sort it now.

[vetran]

[QUOTE=Euler;2078929
You know when I call you a cretin, it's not ad hominem, just an observation based on all available evidence.[/QUOTE]

no resorting to personal attacks and being dismissive shows your paucity of language and complete inability to work with others.

Next we will have stories about your social interactions with the high & mighty. All from your £2m house (sorry bedsit) that your spouse bought you.

[Gumbo Robot]

I know breaking point is used too much when describing the NHS but as far as I can see it has reached that, it is an 11 hour day being a GP now and you don't get a break, wife now has cut back to 3 days a week. To deal with demand surgeries are moving to telephone triage which results in poorer care and actually increases demand, people just phone up to have a chin wag about their athletes foot.

The whole thing is a cluster fook and no amount of money will sort it now.

Getting an appointment at my local surgery is now a complete lottery.

You can no longer book up an appointment in a few days' time to suit your busy schedule, you can only get an appointment for that day by ringing at 8am when they open. Of course every other man and his dog is ringing at the same time so the switchboard is jammed & by the time you get through all the appointments have gone & they tell you to phone back the next day at 8am. Rinse & repeat until you get lucky