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[sasguru]

What by bombing them again?

That's the problem with Brexiteers, stuck in the past.
Living in a cloud cuckoo fantasy-land where they think Brexit will magically reset the clocks and Britannia will rule the waves again, as opposed to the reality of a post-Empire, and most importantly, post-industrial country having to survive in an increasingly globalised world, where the power is held by large corporations, not governments.

[sasguru]

You are spot on

What is TTIP? And six reasons why the answer should scare you | Comment | Voices | The Independent

Yes and what do you think would happen in a weak post Brexit UK.?
We'd just have to swallow US demands.
My take on past UK history is that we'd become even more of a vassal of the US - a low cost, low-wage economy, low-protection for workers, undercutting Europe as the only way to survive.
The poor haven't seen anything yet.

[DodgyAgent]

Yes and what do you think would happen in a weak post Brexit UK.?
We'd just have to swallow US demands.
My take on past UK history is that we'd become even more of a vassal of the US - a low cost, low-wage economy, low-protection for workers, undercutting Europe as the only way to survive.
The poor haven't seen anything yet.

Do you really think any UK government would ever allow USA enterprises to take over the running of the NHS. If you do then you are more of a Cretin than the sum parts of all the other CUK Cretins added together. Also do you really think that the British are so useless that they would end up as the servants of Europe? No doubt you think that by brown nosing the elite by sneering at the rest of the British and suggesting they need your class of Cretins to decide what is good for us they might let you join. No chance. The closest you will ever get is to stand at the change machine doling out 20 pence pieces at the Houses of Parliament bogs whilst the bigwigs go and have a dump. And if you do really well one or two of them might invite you to carry out some "Bidet" duties.



Then there is this
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/663...-back-envelope

[sasguru]

Do you really think any UK government would ever allow USA enterprises to take over the running of the NHS. If you do then you are more of a Cretin than the sum parts of all the other CUK Cretins added together. Also do you really think that the British are so useless that they would end up as the servants of Europe? No doubt you think that by brown nosing the elite by sneering at the rest of the British and suggesting they need your class of Cretins to decide what is good for us they might let you join. No chance. The closest you will ever get is to stand at the change machine doling out 20 pence pieces at the Houses of Parliament bogs whilst the bigwigs go and have a dump. And if you do really well one or two of them might invite you to carry out some "Bidet" duties.



Then there is this

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Lots of guff as usual because you can't argue the point.
Which is, without some of the protections provided by Europe, the country is more than likely to become more US style economically - after all that has been the British elite's (of the right-wing persuasion anyway) instinct for decades - and it's not something I agree with.

[darmstadt]

Do you really think any UK government would ever allow USA enterprises to take over the running of the NHS.

Yes, here's just a few of the American companies either partnering with the NHS, provide PFI or just plainly, have taken over parts of the NHS:

http://www.hcahealthcare.co.uk/about-hca/nhs-ventures/
https://www.tenethealth.com/
Your private healthcare choice - Aspen Healthcare | Aspen
https://www.optum.com/
UnitedHealth Group - Health Benefits and Services - Home
https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org...er/index.shtml

provides electronic staff records services to the NHS, which include things such as payroll, pensions and other human resources functions. The company took over after another US company, the drug distributor and healthcare services company McKesson, decided to shift its focus away from the UK market. IBM’s service covers about 1.4m employees at the NHS. IBM has promised to modernise the electronic staff records and make them easily accessible from mobile devices. IBM holds a five-year contract with the NHS to administer the records.

[OwlHoot]

That's the problem with Brexiteers, stuck in the past.
Living in a cloud cuckoo fantasy-land where they think Brexit will magically reset the clocks and Britannia will rule the waves again, as opposed to the reality of a post-Empire, and most importantly, post-industrial country having to survive in an increasingly globalised world, where the power is held by large corporations, not governments.

Make a one-line crack, Dodgy, and you get an essay in reply!

Sas seems to actually approve of large corporations wielding the power, instead of democratically elected goernments.

[sasguru]

Sas seems to actually approve of large corporations wielding the power, instead of democratically elected goernments.

Far from it but I live in the real world.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-google-amazon

If a post Brexit UK did that, the firms would simply say Fook Orf, you're not a large enough market.

My basic point is that UK governments of left and right have a habit of caving in to large corporations to the detriment of the UK citizen (look at Labour and the finance industry and the Tories and their puny tax on Google). That will only increase post-Brexit as they'll have even less leverage.

[BlasterBates]

A lot of Brexiters "frothing at the mouth" after Obama's speech

[Mordac]

A lot of Brexiters "frothing at the mouth" after Obama's speech

Add one more to the list...

[SunnyInHades]

Where the real issue is concerning the loss of sovereignty/independence)

This is key for many.

One example .. although some years the UK may require more net EU migrants than 300k, some years less, currently the EU bureaucrats can just give the UK a two fingered salute to our requirements whilst shouting back 'we make the rules you insignificant subordinate, you'll take as many as we decide - obey'.