Shockingly Tony B'Liar wants to ignore the democratic will of the people.

[shaunbhoy]

It could take an afternoon if both parties wanted it to.

Therein lies the problem. Egotistical churlish surly empire-building federalist unaccountable frivolous feckless wasteful unelected bullyboy undemocratic c0ckwombles like Juncker DON'T want to!!

[GB9]

Article yesterday about Merkel ousting Juncker as he wants to use Brexit as a way to finish the project whereas Merkel is learning fast.

[vetran]

Therein lies the problem. Egotistical churlish surly empire-building federalist unaccountable frivolous feckless wasteful unelected bullyboy undemocratic c0ckwombles like Juncker DON'T want to!!

yet the remainers don't want to see that.

[VectraMan]

what else fuelled the leave vote?

Why did over half the country vote leave?

I was asking you and you didn't answer. Do you not know?

[vetran]

I was asking you and you didn't answer. Do you not know?

I do and have mentioned it multiple times. I thought it was time for the Bremainers to do some work rather than insulting over half the voters who disagreed with them.

[shaunbhoy]

I was asking you and you didn't answer. Do you not know?

1) General mistrust of politicians (This has probably been ENHANCED since the vote itself!)
2) A protest vote at the inability of any major party to listen to their core electorate
3) The PC Brigade attempting to outlaw even general and reasonable concerns over the levels of immigration and our national inability to control it
4) Disenchantment over the value of a vote in our own Parliamentary system as it can routinely be usurped by the wishes of people that we cannot remove if they fail to deliver upon them
5) The driving down of wages due to an endless supply of low-skilled and unskilled migrants from poorer EU countries prepared to work for NMW or less
6) The pressure on our infrastructure, particularly schools, hospitals, and housing
7) The fact that the majority of those suggesting REMAIN are those gaining personally from fact 6)

I could go on but if you didn't grasp the above during the debate then I doubt you will get it now either.

[xoggoth]

Too much reality for them there SB.

Maybe an appreciation of history too, how these imposed empires that ignore real cultural differences and aims never work. Look at Yugoslavia. Or the UK, Scotland has been part of the UK for 300 years and they still want out.

We keep seeing this repeated mantra that it is the educated that want out. Only true if education is defined in a very limited sense as going to university/college to study a course on some specific subject. Completing a course in media studies or whatever does not mean greater knowledge of the world.

[VectraMan]

1) General mistrust of politicians (This has probably been ENHANCED since the vote itself!)
2) A protest vote at the inability of any major party to listen to their core electorate
3) The PC Brigade attempting to outlaw even general and reasonable concerns over the levels of immigration and our national inability to control it
4) Disenchantment over the value of a vote in our own Parliamentary system as it can routinely be usurped by the wishes of people that we cannot remove if they fail to deliver upon them
5) The driving down of wages due to an endless supply of low-skilled and unskilled migrants from poorer EU countries prepared to work for NMW or less
6) The pressure on our infrastructure, particularly schools, hospitals, and housing
7) The fact that the majority of those suggesting REMAIN are those gaining personally from fact 6)

I could go on but if you didn't grasp the above during the debate then I doubt you will get it now either.

I was asking what you'd actually want to change, imagining (wrongly obviously) you might have some constructive suggestions rather than simply moaning about how everything is. If the EU granted control of immigration caps to the UK would you be happy to carry on?

[xoggoth]

It's also true that the older generation were more inclined to want out. Why? Because they are better informed about the real issues, having seen it all before. They have seen the failures of the idealists over and over again and are more in touch with reality.

The young are too often, not only ignorant (despite that 2.2 in media studies or whatever) of the real issues but obsessed with the latest unrealistic ideals. If the aims of my hippy yoof had won over, what was left of mankind would be back in caves, just smoking weed and saying wow man over and over.

[shaunbhoy]

I was asking what you'd actually want to change, imagining (wrongly obviously) you might have some constructive suggestions rather than simply moaning about how everything is.

I was not "simply moaning". I was answering your previous question as to why the majority of people voted to LEAVE. Stay awake why don't you?

If the EU granted control of immigration caps to the UK would you be happy to carry on?

No, not even close. The EU as an entity is hugely flawed and is so far removed from what it originally set out to be as to completely unrecognisable.
It is grossly wasteful and cannot account for where colossal sums of money end up each year. Any business operating that way would be forced to cease trading PDQ.
The whole notion that you can get 28 disparate entities to agree in a timely fashion about virtually anything is risible.
The best thing that could happen is for this current abortion to completely collapse. Then from the wreckage, a new and much more streamlined version can emerge. One that both retains the individual sovereign identities of all members for internal matters, yet happily coexists as a simple trading bloc with minimal need for bureaucratic involvement.