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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
    The ten year figure comes from the experiances of Glasgow who went thorugh the same process.

    In essence it takes a generation of kids to grow up without knives or to grow out of carrying them for changes to happen.

    It needs intervention in schools, better policing, better social networks and engagement to persuade kids not to carry knives and give them alternatives to the gangs and crime that breed the mentality that carrying a knife is something you have to do to survive.

    As knife crime rises in England, police look to Glasgow - Cutting edge
    Better still, scratch that and get a Giuliani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Modeller Army View Post
    Better still, scratch that and get a Giuliani.
    Still took over 10 years and required a huge amount of effort and investment from multiple agencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMirror View Post
    That is due to lack of Police and high house prices meaning the young see drug dealing as their only chance of being able to afford a property.
    If it's dealers killing dealers, society wins; if it's basic gang warfare, it just makes place more dangerous. Either way, your logic is crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LondonManc View Post
    If it's dealers killing dealers, society wins; if it's basic gang warfare, it just makes place more dangerous. Either way, your logic is crap.
    Tribal warfare - and no-one has got the balls to call it what it is.

    Apart from me of course.
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    Watched 5-mins of Victoria Derbyshire on BBC2 - they where discussing this violence in London with community leaders and ex-gang members.

    The lack of ideas of how to solve this issue was pretty apparent, one women suggested consequence cards. So young people can understand the consequences of carrying a knife!

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    Quote Originally Posted by woohoo View Post
    Watched 5-mins of Victoria Derbyshire on BBC2 - they where discussing this violence in London with community leaders and ex-gang members.

    The lack of ideas of how to solve this issue was pretty apparent, one women suggested consequence cards. So young people can understand the consequences of carrying a knife!
    Give them Pokemon cards, they can battle it out using these
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    Just shows the tulip state of affairs that this country is at the moment. Knife crime could be addressed very quickly if there was the legal and political will:

    - massive fines for retailers selling knives to people who looked under 25. Why is booze checked but not knives?
    - no second chances, no understanding, get caught with a knife in a public place and it's a minimum of 18months in prison.
    - get caught using a knife in a violent event then its a minimum ten stretch.

    Dancing around the issue won't sort it. I know folks will say there's no police on the ground etc. but I have seen several people being refused entry to venues for carrying knives. In such situations enforce police attendance, allow bouncers to restrain instead of just saying "not tonight lads" for them to wander to the next venue.

    Just ******* deal with people harshly to make them think twice. Surely that shouldn't take ten years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatJock View Post
    Just shows the tulip state of affairs that this country is at the moment. Knife crime could be addressed very quickly if there was the legal and political will:

    - massive fines for retailers selling knives to people who looked under 25. Why is booze checked but not knives?
    - no second chances, no understanding, get caught with a knife in a public place and it's a minimum of 18months in prison.
    - get caught using a knife in a violent event then its a minimum ten stretch.

    Dancing around the issue won't sort it. I know folks will say there's no police on the ground etc. but I have seen several people being refused entry to venues for carrying knives. In such situations enforce police attendance, allow bouncers to restrain instead of just saying "not tonight lads" for them to wander to the next venue.

    Just ******* deal with people harshly to make them think twice. Surely that shouldn't take ten years!

    Yus indeed. Crack down on the low level stuff and coming down on them like a ton of bricks is an approach that has shown to be effective in the past. Litter dropping, graffiti, drunk and disorderly behaviour etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatJock View Post
    Just shows the tulip state of affairs that this country is at the moment. Knife crime could be addressed very quickly if there was the legal and political will:

    - massive fines for retailers selling knives to people who looked under 25. Why is booze checked but not knives?
    They are, and it is an offence to sell a knife to an underage person with penatiies of fines and up to 2 years in jail depending on the offence. Most retailers use the Challenge 24 standard.

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    - no second chances, no understanding, get caught with a knife in a public place and it's a minimum of 18months in prison.
    Possesion already carries a penalty of up to 4 years.
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    - get caught using a knife in a violent event then its a minimum ten stretch.
    GBH - the usual charge for knife related incidents not resulting in a death is up to life, usual range is 10-16 years on conviction.
    Murder is life.

    Increased sentances have not proved to be a deterrent either in the UK or elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by fatJock View Post
    Dancing around the issue won't sort it. I know folks will say there's no police on the ground etc. but I have seen several people being refused entry to venues for carrying knives. In such situations enforce police attendance, allow bouncers to restrain instead of just saying "not tonight lads" for them to wander to the next venue.

    Just ******* deal with people harshly to make them think twice. Surely that shouldn't take ten years!
    Stump up the cash for additional policing, comunity services, coordinated joint efforts, train end equip bouncers to deal with it, pay them enough to take the risk of tackeling someone with a knife etc. and it could happen. Will still take 10 years plus based on the experiences in Glasgow and New York.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigenare View Post
    Tribal warfare - and no-one has got the balls to call it what it is.

    Apart from me of course.
    And even then you won't stop licking them!!!

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