no words

[minestrone]

I don't know, i generally find public toilets in bars and stuff much cleaner here than on the southern continent.

And stuff like this kind of seems correct to me, people are more hygienic in general here than in Mediterranean countries.

The European countries that wash their hands least after going to the toilet | The Independent

[Hobosapien]

"You either live and recover, or you die, something nobody expected"

ehhh...

Is that part of Trump's speech the other day where he said "people are dying today that have never died before".

Which followed his "national emergency, two very big words" speech.


Got to hand it to him he's keeping us entertained with more humour than boris.

Edit: Ok the first trump one is apparently false, but it's still believable so I'm sticking by it.

[minestrone]

Trump started to restrict travel from china 7 weeks ago.

We choose to all agree that was racist rather than seeing it as fookin common sense.

[BrilloPad]

Trump started to restrict travel from china 7 weeks ago.

We choose to all agree that was racist rather than seeing it as fookin common sense.

And how is the USA getting on now relative to countries that did not restrict travel?

[minestrone]

And how is the USA getting on now relative to countries that did not restrict travel?

You would have to say it is in a far better a position that most of Europe.

Trump gets almost a daily story in the BBC about how badly he is doing on this.

I've never seen one European leader criticised the way trump is over corona.

[unixman]

Certain countries, eg Iran and Italy, have been hit much harder than others. It isn't clear why (population movements, aged population?) but there isn't any reason to think the UK will follow the same pattern. Germany is having far fewer fatalities than other places. Again, at this point it is hard to say why. Germans good at following rules, perhaps?

[vetran]

Certain countries, eg Iran and Italy, have been hit much harder than others. It isn't clear why (population movements, aged population?) but there isn't any reason to think the UK will follow the same pattern. Germany is having far fewer fatalities than other places. Again, at this point it is hard to say why. Germans good at following rules, perhaps?

Matt Hancock was interviewed this morning on the LBC and was asked this, he quoted his opposite number in Germany who suggested their initial cases were from skiers returning from Italy so were probably fitter than most which is why they believed fewer died.

[cojak]

Certain countries, eg Iran and Italy, have been hit much harder than others. It isn't clear why (population movements, aged population?) but there isn't any reason to think the UK will follow the same pattern. Germany is having far fewer fatalities than other places. Again, at this point it is hard to say why. Germans good at following rules, perhaps?

Germany has 29 ICU beds per 100,000.

Italy has 12.

UK has 6.

What do you think?

The Countries With The Most Critical Care Beds Per Capita [Infographic]

[cojak]

Certain countries, eg Iran and Italy, have been hit much harder than others. It isn't clear why (population movements, aged population?) but there isn't any reason to think the UK will follow the same pattern. Germany is having far fewer fatalities than other places. Again, at this point it is hard to say why. Germans good at following rules, perhaps?

Germany has 29 ICU beds per 100,000.

Italy has 12.

UK has 6.

What do you think?

The Countries With The Most Critical Care Beds Per Capita [Infographic]

(As of 2012, God knows what it is now but I doubt that the numbers for the UK have gone up...)

[scooterscot]

There was an article in the FT this morning about why Germany is experiencing fewer deaths. All comes down to far more testing & isolation of individuals resulting positive. Also I understand there are far more ICU beds available here than in other countries like the UK, so those that are in the high risk category are treated quickly.

The capacity in Germany is very, very significant. We can conduct more than 160,000 tests per week, and that can be increased

Germany’s coronavirus anomaly: high infection rates but few deaths

The coronavirus crisis has hit Germany with full force. Infections are increasing rapidly, schools, factories and bars have closed across the country, and government measures to slow the outbreak are becoming more draconian by the day.


In one crucial way, however, the country is proving remarkably resilient: relative to known infections, the number of deaths has so far been minuscule.


According to data from Johns Hopkins University, there were 13,979 coronavirus infections in Germany on Thursday afternoon, more than in any other country except China, Italy, Iran and Spain.


At the same time, Germany had only registered 42 deaths. Neighbouring France, by contrast, reported 9,058 infections and 243 deaths. Spain had 17,395 infections and 803 deaths. The US, the UK, Italy and even South Korea all show case fatality rates significantly higher than Germany.


The apparent anomaly has sparked debate in Germany and beyond, though experts warn against drawing sweeping conclusions. They argue that the country’s low fatality rate most likely reflects the fact that the outbreak is still at a relatively early stage, and that the age profile of those affected has so far been younger than that in other countries. Younger patients without previous ailments have a much better chance of surviving Covid-19 than elderly patients.
Another factor that may help explain the variance is the unusually high number of tests being carried out in Germany. According to Lothar Wieler, the president of the Robert Koch Institute, German laboratories are now conducting about 160,000 coronavirus tests every week — more than some European countries have carried out in total since the crisis started. Even South Korea, which is conducting 15,000 tests a day and has been held up by virologists as an example to follow, appears to be testing less than Germany.




“This is about capacity. The capacity in Germany is very, very significant. We can conduct more than 160,000 tests per week, and that can be increased further,” Prof Wieler told journalists this week. Test capabilities would be boosted not least in part by switching laboratories that specialise in animal health towards coronavirus checks. There was no sign that test kits were running low, Prof Wieler added.


In the short term at least, mass testing feeds through into a lower fatality rate because it allows authorities to detect cases of Covid-19 even in patients who suffer few or no symptoms, and who have a much better chance of survival. It also means that Germany is likely to have a lower number of undetected cases than countries where testing is less prevalent. Indeed, one notable feature of the coronavirus outbreak in Germany so far is the high number of relatively young patients: according to data from the Robert Koch Institute, more than 80 per cent of all people infected with the coronavirus are younger than 60.