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Raising a theybie: the parent who wants their child to grow up gender-free
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostI've not seen those posts. Care to point them out, or are you just having a gammonfest, in which case my work here is done?
I'm happy for the poster that I was replying to, to tell me I've interpreted this wrong:
It would be really fantastic if gender differences happened naturally without being imposed/expected from day 0
You look like a complete imbecile arguing on their behalf, classic "gammon" behaviour.Comment
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Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View PostWhy are you so fragile, triggered and prone to slurring people?
I'm happy for the poster that I was replying to, to tell me I've interpreted this wrong:
You'll notice my post was a question.
You look like a complete imbecile arguing on their behalf, classic "gammon" behaviour.Comment
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Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View PostI'm all for autonomy for children allowing to traverse gender as they see fit - but are you suggesting parents imprinting gender on children isn't natural?Comment
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostYes it's natural, that's why I said we naturally do it. The gender reveal party with pink balloons and pink cake, the blue babygros, describing her as "a little princess", him as "what a chunk". But I do think avoiding those stereotypes as much as possible and giving a child equal access to playthings is only a good thing. Just about every parent does it to a greater or lesser degree - seems to me that these parents are allowing the child to develop without those prejudices.
The facts of the article are: they say the female labelling as a child was inaccurate, they claim "non-binary trans – meaning they are neither a man nor a woman", yet they eventually went on to have a biological child of their own (a process only possible by biologically female of the species). The buy in from society to normalise this scenario is gigantic.Comment
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0.6% of all people are feeling they are transgender, to raise 100% of people in a gender neutral way is just ridiculous, if they feel later they are in the wrong body feel free to transfer.Comment
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Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View PostI agree with that, but I'm not convinced the family in the article has any less imprinting than a heterosexual / gender-typical household.
The facts of the article are: they say the female labelling as a child was inaccurate, they claim "non-binary trans – meaning they are neither a man nor a woman", yet they eventually went on to have a biological child of their own (a process only possible by biologically female of the species). The buy in from society to normalise this scenario is gigantic.
As MS says, it's far too easy to be gendered in the way you treat children because that's what society does all the time. Gender seeps into pretty much everything we do, all the way through our lives.
The utopian vision is that gender should have nothing to do with 90% of the things that affect/influence your life. Only those things that are literally tied to your biological sex (having kids is the most obvious one) should reference your chromosomal make up. You can't give a trans woman a cervical smear, for example, but a trans man who still has their womb (and maybe ovaries?) intact may still want a check up (not sure how if post-op but I'm not a doctor!).
[OT] I was disappointed on discovering recently that a wedding certificate doesn't name the mother. It is still literally a contract of ownership transfer from the father to the husband. (It's currently being thought about via a Private Members' bill) [/OT]Comment
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Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View PostI agree with that, but I'm not convinced the family in the article has any less imprinting than a heterosexual / gender-typical household.
The facts of the article are: they say the female labelling as a child was inaccurate, they claim "non-binary trans – meaning they are neither a man nor a woman", yet they eventually went on to have a biological child of their own (a process only possible by biologically female of the species). The buy in from society to normalise this scenario is gigantic.Originally posted by Eirikur View Post0.6% of all people are feeling they are transgender, to raise 100% of people in a gender neutral way is just ridiculous, if they feel later they are in the wrong body feel free to transfer."A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George OrwellComment
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