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Dreadful article let's dispel some myths in this anti contractor environment
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This is my take ...
Originally posted by Shackattack View PostDreadful article, couple of things
- Who works 50 weeks of the year? Contractors need holidays and don't get paid for bank, holidays sick and Christmas more like 47 if you're lucky.
If the contract was 6 months, or 12 months, I'd work through. So yes, some contractors do work 50 weeks a year (at least in the initial years of contracting)
Originally posted by Shackattack View Post- Contractors have lean periods factor that over a 5 ears and average becomes 42 weeks a year if your lucky. I've had three months looking for work.
Originally posted by Shackattack View Post- Contractors don't get a pension, minimum 4% employer contribution let's knock off another 2 weeks.
Originally posted by Shackattack View PostFor that you work like a dog, you work hard and long hours, no training, uncertainty, stress. You bring masses of experience, you deliver at pace and if you don't your out simple.
The equivalent full time job at that level is probably £80k, I've just been offered that.
I do agree that if I don't deliver then I'd be out the door but this has never happened to me.
As for an £80k perm job ... nothing wrong with that. If someone wants to climb the greasy pole, likes the security of a perm job, then that's a decent salary especially if the other half is also earning.
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Originally posted by Whorty View PostThis is my take ...
When I started contracting I would work the contract and didn't take time off. I guess as a new contractor I had that fear that I wouldn't find another one directly afterwards and hence worked without breaks.
If the contract was 6 months, or 12 months, I'd work through. So yes, some contractors do work 50 weeks a year (at least in the initial years of contracting)
Maybe I'm lucky but I've never had forced lean periods. If anything I'm approached and offered my next contract before I've finished the current one. Probably due to the field I work in (Financial/Accounting Systems) so always in demand. So, I'm still at 50 weeks a year working (if I choose to)
It's built into the day rate. When I was working 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year, I was dumping the max into my pension (via the LTD so with all the (legal) tax benefits).
I work no harder as a contractor than I do as a permie. In fact, I'd argue I work less hours. Permies work extra hours, for no extra pay, to please their bosses at the annual review. As a contractor, if the client wants me to work extra hours on a frequent basis then it's going to cost them.
I do agree that if I don't deliver then I'd be out the door but this has never happened to me.
As for an £80k perm job ... nothing wrong with that. If someone wants to climb the greasy pole, likes the security of a perm job, then that's a decent salary especially if the other half is also earning.
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Have you toyed with perm contractor conversion numbers before
If yes can you indicate what they would be - I mean what is your current day rate and what would yo uneed to convert to permComment
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Originally posted by LondonPM1 View PostThanks this is very helpful indeed
Have you toyed with perm contractor conversion numbers before
If yes can you indicate what they would be - I mean what is your current day rate and what would yo uneed to convert to perm
Even if perm paid more I'd still prefer contracting. I closed my LTD a couple of years ago and now either work via umbrella or FTCs. I have nothing against perms, but my lifestyle is better suited to contracting and the flexibility I get with this way of working.I am what I drink, and I'm a bitter manComment
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Originally posted by Whorty View PostNo, but that's because I'm happy with my situation. I don't contract for the money, I do it for the flexibility. Currently only working 2 days a week and that pays the bills; I don't 'need' to work any more. I might switch next time to more days a week and less months a year but don't need to make that decision just yet.
Even if perm paid more I'd still prefer contracting. I closed my LTD a couple of years ago and now either work via umbrella or FTCs. I have nothing against perms, but my lifestyle is better suited to contracting and the flexibility I get with this way of working.
Back to my original question why are there so many anti-contractors on here, Why are they so jeolous? Contracting is a natural progression. Off course you are not an employee but even with abhorrently expensive, ineffective agencies they integrate themselves in the office, the work side by side and then and only then are they half decent. (i use that term loosely)Comment
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Originally posted by Shackattack View PostSeems to be quite a lot of contradictions with Worty, works 50 weeks a year, now wait 2 days a week.
Back to my original question why are there so many anti-contractors on here, Why are they so jeolous? Contracting is a natural progression. Off course you are not an employee but even with abhorrently expensive, ineffective agencies they integrate themselves in the office, the work side by side and then and only then are they half decent. (i use that term loosely)
There are just contractors and ex-contractors.
(And you need to respond to this very carefully...)"I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
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Originally posted by Shackattack View PostSeems to be quite a lot of contradictions with Worty, works 50 weeks a year, now wait 2 days a week.
Back to my original question why are there so many anti-contractors on here, Why are they so jeolous? Contracting is a natural progression. Off course you are not an employee but even with abhorrently expensive, ineffective agencies they integrate themselves in the office, the work side by side and then and only then are they half decent. (i use that term loosely)
And it's:
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Originally posted by ladymuck View PostIt's perfectly feasible to work 2 days a week for 50 weeks of the year.
And it's:
Whorty
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Originally posted by ladymuck View PostIt's perfectly feasible to work 2 days a week for 50 weeks of the year.
And it's:
Whorty
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of“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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Originally posted by Shackattack View PostSeems to be quite a lot of contradictions with Worty, works 50 weeks a year, now wait 2 days a week.
Back to my original question why are there so many anti-contractors on here, Why are they so jeolous? Contracting is a natural progression. Off course you are not an employee but even with abhorrently expensive, ineffective agencies they integrate themselves in the office, the work side by side and then and only then are they half decent. (i use that term loosely)
Dont worry though - Time usually fixes thatComment
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