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What are your clients doing with IR35 reform?
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostI don't disagree at all. Just a key point to the OP that it isn't him self assessing. He's answering questions to help the client make their mind up.Comment
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Originally posted by PerfectStorm View PostWould that be the same Orange Genie who run an umbrella? No prizes for guessing what direction their 'advice' will take...
There is nothing wrong in that per se.
Where it starts to be a problem is where they persuade the client company that only "approved" umbrellas should be used.
What does "approved" mean?
You would hope it would mean a member of one of the bodies who count umbrella companies as fee paying members such as Professional Passport, FCSA etc.
However, that still produces a long list of candidates. (And competition).
We will therefore see the rise and rise of PSLs. Again not in itself an issue but the long term effect is that the contractor becomes a hostage to fortune, forced to pay whatever the umbrella wants and loses the choice of making their own judgement.
In effect we risk seeing a cartel of large umbrellas who all talk to each other.
It should be case that a contractor judged inside IR35 who opts for an umbrella (not compulsory) should be able (encouraged) to shop the market and not just be pushed into whatever the adviser to the client thinks is suitable.
Will that happen?
Probably not.Best Forum Adviser & Forum Personality of the Year 2018.
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Going perm in my current role. Lots of discussions on implications or IR35 etc and it is just easiest.
Personally I am not worried about HMRC sniffing around at me being outside IR35 then perm as the roles are substantially different and I am happily outside in the current role and am happy to be challenged on it.
(Current role project implementation, sole role limited to defined deliverables etc. New role in new department managing a team etc.)Comment
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Originally posted by webberg View PostWith a large scale reduction in the number of outside IR35 contractors more than likely, the large agency businesses will see that side of their income fall off a cliff. Therefore more will offer an umbrella as a replacement.
There is nothing wrong in that per se.
Where it starts to be a problem is where they persuade the client company that only "approved" umbrellas should be used.
What does "approved" mean?
You would hope it would mean a member of one of the bodies who count umbrella companies as fee paying members such as Professional Passport, FCSA etc.
However, that still produces a long list of candidates. (And competition).
We will therefore see the rise and rise of PSLs. Again not in itself an issue but the long term effect is that the contractor becomes a hostage to fortune, forced to pay whatever the umbrella wants and loses the choice of making their own judgement.
In effect we risk seeing a cartel of large umbrellas who all talk to each other.
It should be case that a contractor judged inside IR35 who opts for an umbrella (not compulsory) should be able (encouraged) to shop the market and not just be pushed into whatever the adviser to the client thinks is suitable.
Will that happen?
Probably not.
They've got something to gain from giving overly risk averse advice. I'm not saying they would but ultimately they are neither fee payer nor engager so have no statutory obligations, the only reason they're involved is in the hope (or contractual obligation in exchange for 'free' advice) that the inside determinations go umbrella with them so it stands to reason they are more likely to sway that way.
I looked at the offerings from a few and concluded that no brolly is unbiased and the only assessor really worth partnering with is Qdos.Comment
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Originally posted by ComplianceLady View PostI looked at the offerings from a few and concluded that no brolly is unbiased and the only assessor really worth partnering with is Qdos.
Do you have experience with Bauer & Cottrell? They have a very good reputation as well, wondered why you'd single out QDOS only.Comment
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Originally posted by WordIsBond View PostSomeone could argue that QDOS is selling insurance so it is to their benefit for outside determinations to be made, and that they also are not unbiased. But it obviously isn't to their benefit to insure people who should be inside, and have costly losses on their insurance. So if their bias shows it will be in encouraging clients to shift borderline roles to outside roles -- and I don't see how that hurts anyone.
Do you have experience with Bauer & Cottrell? They have a very good reputation as well, wondered why you'd single out QDOS only.
I don't see any value in offering tax-loss cover to a PSC post-April 2020, so it will be interesting to see whether their aggregate cover products like TLC35 are removed or dramatically cheapened to focus on non-IR35 losses. I cannot see a similar product being offered to clients, but who knows. I guess Qdos and the like will now focus on working with clients to make good/informed SDSs.Comment
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Originally posted by takethebus View PostReading a bit more into it they will be performing status determinations to a subset of contractors in August so assume it means I will be informed of their determination this month.
Agree it sounds more plausible that it’s a feedback/information gathering survey for their own pilot, business planning."I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
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Originally posted by WordIsBond View PostSomeone could argue that QDOS is selling insurance so it is to their benefit for outside determinations to be made, and that they also are not unbiased. But it obviously isn't to their benefit to insure people who should be inside, and have costly losses on their insurance. So if their bias shows it will be in encouraging clients to shift borderline roles to outside roles -- and I don't see how that hurts anyone.
Do you have experience with Bauer & Cottrell? They have a very good reputation as well, wondered why you'd single out QDOS only.
Qdos are setup for en masse assessments wheras B&C are much smaller from what I'm aware. I looked at everyone offering the service and Qdos felt like a good fit.Comment
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostThe full review by Qdos is decent (not the cheap one). However, I think there are smaller companies that do an as-good or better job, because they have a small number of seasoned experts and you will always get one of them (I'm thinking B&C and the artist formerly known as Abbey Tax, for example). That said, I think Qdos will be able to serve clients at scale.
I don't see any value in offering tax-loss cover to a PSC post-April 2020, so it will be interesting to see whether their aggregate cover products like TLC35 are removed or dramatically cheapened to focus on non-IR35 losses. I cannot see a similar product being offered to clients, but who knows. I guess Qdos and the like will now focus on working with clients to make good/informed SDSs.Comment
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