Originally posted by BrilloPad
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IR35 - the end of a flexible workforce
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Originally posted by JohntheBike View Postthere are no "fakes" as you put it, only workers who do not receive employment benefits, whom HMRC wish to tax as employees, who do receive employment benefits, which are not taxed.
HMRC think otherwise - and everyone needs to stand against them.Comment
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I think the opposite is true. It's the beginning of flexible work for all.
The implementation of the private sector ir35 changes mean that end clients can treat you as a permie resource. The implication then becomes why bother having permie staff? Just recruit thru umbrellas on fixed term and save on pension, sicknessComment
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Originally posted by BrilloPad View PostIndeed!
HMRC think otherwise - and everyone needs to stand against them.everyone needs to stand against themComment
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Originally posted by BrilloPad View PostI have been expecting this for years. Many posters on CUK seem to think its a good thing. They are "real" contractors - its clearing the rest who are "fakes".
Yes if the clients improve in how they deal with contractors this could work well. But if they simply think what’s the point it’s too much risk then it messes up the whole contractor route.Comment
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Originally posted by coder View PostHi
I think the opposite is true. It's the beginning of flexible work for all.
The implementation of the private sector ir35 changes mean that end clients can treat you as a permie resource. The implication then becomes why bother having permie staff? Just recruit thru umbrellas on fixed term and save on pension, sicknessComment
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Originally posted by Rebel View PostInteresting way of looking at it. And actually you’re right clients can simply take on everyone via PAYE and don’t have to pay pension, sickness etc. Wow that’s a flaw.
10 hours driving an Uber
7 hours cycling on Deliveroo
8 hours in Tescos
All paid to an umbrella firm who then pay you via PAYE. HMRC will love it.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by Rebel View PostInteresting way of looking at it. And actually you’re right clients can simply take on everyone via PAYE and don’t have to pay pension, sickness etc. Wow that’s a flaw.
Might be more of an issue for minimum-wage-type jobs - but we've been in a race to the bottom for those jobs for a while. Not sure companies can pay much less than they do already even via Umbrellas!Comment
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Originally posted by coder View PostHi
I think the opposite is true. It's the beginning of flexible work for all.
The implementation of the private sector ir35 changes mean that end clients can treat you as a permie resource. The implication then becomes why bother having permie staff? Just recruit thru umbrellas on fixed term and save on pension, sicknessRule Number 1 - Assuming that you have a valid contract in place always try to get your poo onto your timesheet, provided that the timesheet is valid for your current contract and covers the period of time that you are billing for.
I preferred version 1!Comment
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Originally posted by BoredBloke View PostWhy would any company employ permies when the umbrella route gives permie like control but contractor like flexibility.Comment
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