Reading the discussion document again (its too hot outside and unless I do it now I'll only have to do it later) I'm struck by a simple question....
What do all the parties actually want from the issue / IR35 marketplace?
HMRC - want as many people as possible paid by PAYE especially those who work for companies who force self employment or support staff to pretend to be self employed when clearly working like permanent staff... They also what as much money as possible (but that goes without saying)...
Some companies - want people to be bogusly self-employed to save them costs and responsibilities.
Consultancies and our end clients - want contractors either for specific periods / projects (to fill a resourcing or skills gap) or because the market can't provide those skills within the permanent market
Us - we want to be freelance because of our skill sets (or possibly just the cash). We pretend to be able to provide substitutes for the sake of it, happily use Moo and try to ignore the whole SDorC thing.
Other freelancers - may simply want to know who their employer is and being treated as an employee (examples from the CAB bogus employment survey are available)...
Some freelancers - are actually permanent staff but want the tax saving options and flexibility..
We know that every test HMRC have used for IR35 is insane and has made things worse. The question is can we identify the view point from all participants (I'm probably missing loads in the few actors above) and see if there are some sane features that could be used instead...
What do all the parties actually want from the issue / IR35 marketplace?
HMRC - want as many people as possible paid by PAYE especially those who work for companies who force self employment or support staff to pretend to be self employed when clearly working like permanent staff... They also what as much money as possible (but that goes without saying)...
Some companies - want people to be bogusly self-employed to save them costs and responsibilities.
Consultancies and our end clients - want contractors either for specific periods / projects (to fill a resourcing or skills gap) or because the market can't provide those skills within the permanent market
Us - we want to be freelance because of our skill sets (or possibly just the cash). We pretend to be able to provide substitutes for the sake of it, happily use Moo and try to ignore the whole SDorC thing.
Other freelancers - may simply want to know who their employer is and being treated as an employee (examples from the CAB bogus employment survey are available)...
Some freelancers - are actually permanent staff but want the tax saving options and flexibility..
We know that every test HMRC have used for IR35 is insane and has made things worse. The question is can we identify the view point from all participants (I'm probably missing loads in the few actors above) and see if there are some sane features that could be used instead...
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