I'm not convinced that aligning ourselves with umbrella companies is a good idea at all.
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Originally posted by Lightwave View PostI'm not convinced that aligning ourselves with umbrella companies is a good idea at all.
Also these changes will have some very serious consequences to everyone related to us as well so why got everyone impacted not just coal face contractors? It would be nice if the agents had chipped in as well rather than thinking of themselves.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostIf the worst happens how can it be harmful. I also don't think we are aligning ourselves with them as Lisa is personally taking a lot of time to do this for us so not like we are getting in bed with the umbrellas.
Also these changes will have some very serious consequences to everyone related to us as well so why got everyone impacted not just coal face contractors? It would be nice if the agents had chipped in as well rather than thinking of themselves.
Umbrella users are easy targets in the 'not proper business' stakes. I don't wish to be categorised with them myself.
It would indeed be nice if the agencies were more use to us, but most of the agencies in Electronics seem to also deal with factory staff etc in bulk, so are not solely in the professional freelancer market. Really this ought to be driven by some sort of Contractors Group for Professionals?Comment
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Originally posted by Lightwave View PostIs it not Umbrella Cos that have caused a lot of the issues with 'contractors' who are really just agency staff taking the mick on travel expenses?
Umbrella users are easy targets in the 'not proper business' stakes. I don't wish to be categorised with them myself.
It would indeed be nice if the agencies were more use to us, but most of the agencies in Electronics seem to also deal with factory staff etc in bulk, so are not solely in the professional freelancer market. Really this ought to be driven by some sort of Contractors Group for Professionals?'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
Actually make it a double.
This is about making an impact on social media to raise awareness, you're not signing up to a professional body that HMRC are going to be looking at closely.I'm a smug bastard.Comment
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Originally posted by Lightwave View PostIs it not Umbrella Cos that have caused a lot of the issues with 'contractors' who are really just agency staff taking the mick on travel expenses?
Umbrella users are easy targets in the 'not proper business' stakes. I don't wish to be categorised with them myself.
It would indeed be nice if the agencies were more use to us, but most of the agencies in Electronics seem to also deal with factory staff etc in bulk, so are not solely in the professional freelancer market. Really this ought to be driven by some sort of Contractors Group for Professionals?
This is not about taking sides, it's not in my interests to fight against the changes to IR35 that could be introduced, it's about the industry working together to protect itself - that's all we're trying to achieve - if you don't want to be part of it it's no problem - I believe in free will but you should understand that this about cohesion and not division. In my mind there are not PSC contractors and brolly contractors there are just contractors.....and then there are temps and the high proliferation of them moving into or being forced into the contracting world is a big contributing factor to the problems we are experiencing nowComment
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I'm well aware of that, I had already been a contractor for some years when IR35 came along.
Unfortunately I think this is absolutely going to be about differentiation, just as in 1999 there was a genuine difference between those of us who had chosen to be properly freelance intending to have many clients, and those who were being coerced into self employment for one 'client'.
You need to consider how this looks to the Daily Mule and Grauniad readers, it seems that is the particular court of public opinion being used.
"Yes, there are some companies that call themselves umbrella companies that have operated avoidance schemes and T&S schemes " yet 'all umbrella co's are equal'?
We need to think how this kind of thing looks to outsiders.Comment
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Originally posted by Lightwave View PostWe need to think how this kind of thing looks to outsiders.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by Lightwave View PostIs it not Umbrella Cos that have caused a lot of the issues with 'contractors' who are really just agency staff taking the mick on travel expenses?
Which then gave HMRC the ability to say "no PSC has complained" when they moved to consultation from discussion.Last edited by TheFaQQer; 18 November 2015, 15:34.Comment
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Originally posted by Lightwave View PostI'm well aware of that, I had already been a contractor for some years when IR35 came along.
Unfortunately I think this is absolutely going to be about differentiation, just as in 1999 there was a genuine difference between those of us who had chosen to be properly freelance intending to have many clients, and those who were being coerced into self employment for one 'client'.
You need to consider how this looks to the Daily Mule and Grauniad readers, it seems that is the particular court of public opinion being used.
"Yes, there are some companies that call themselves umbrella companies that have operated avoidance schemes and T&S schemes " yet 'all umbrella co's are equal'?
We need to think how this kind of thing looks to outsiders.Comment
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