HMRC off payroll decision service

[BoredBloke]

So are you saying you think some will use this as somewhat of a USP to differentiate themselves from other agencies ?

I thought it was the end client who were responsible for determining this...not the agency

So PS body have a requirement. They determine that the role is inside ir35 and put it out to the agencies. The agency would have to advertise it as being inside IR35. If they advertised it as outside then surely that would be fraud and also questions would be asked as soon as the first payment is made less the taxes

[youngguy]

I thought it was the end client who were responsible for determining this...not the agency

It is ...now. At the time I wrote that everyone thought it would be the agency that made the decision

[Lance]

I thought it was the end client who were responsible for determining this...not the agency

So PS body have a requirement. They determine that the role is inside ir35 and put it out to the agencies. The agency would have to advertise it as being inside IR35. If they advertised it as outside then surely that would be fraud and also questions would be asked as soon as the first payment is made less the taxes

Why would the agency have to advertise it as one or the other?
They'll just play dumb and hope whoever applies doesn't know or care the difference.

If a gig is definitely outside they'll be sure to advertise that though.

[LondonManc]

Why would the agency have to advertise it as one or the other?
They'll just play dumb and hope whoever applies doesn't ask.

If a gig is definitely outside they'll be sure to advertise that though.

FTFY

[Andy Hallett]

I am testing the new tool tomorrow at HMRC, any requests?

[SussexSeagull]

I am testing the new tool tomorrow at HMRC, any requests?

Please hand it over to the testers on here. Believe me, we will find something wrong to delay it!

[youngguy]

I am testing the new tool tomorrow at HMRC, any requests?

Would be interesting to understand how the Q weighting works. Ie do all 55 have to be a y or n to be outside, or is it weighted (like the BETs were )?

Also would be interesting to see from your view the chance of ever being outside (slim I suspect )

[mudskipper]

I am testing the new tool tomorrow at HMRC, any requests?

What I've seen of it (FTAOD, only what's been posted in the public domain), MOO isn't covered.

[mudskipper]

Would be interesting to understand how the Q weighting works. Ie do all 55 have to be a y or n to be outside, or is it weighted (like the BETs were )?

Also would be interesting to see from your view the chance of ever being outside (slim I suspect )

If you look at the CSVs on the links that were posted, there is a matrix of combinations.

[marius123]

If you look at the CSVs on the links that were posted, there is a matrix of combinations.

A lot of the combinations seem to give an intermediate result of 'Low', 'Medium' or 'High'. How these are treated might be nice to know as well as how likely the tool is to give a definitive In/Out answer rather than some kind of inconclusive.

Someone else mentioned MOO. That's a point as well.... Didn't see that.